Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

ukcarper

mrginge wrote: »

This obviously explains the correlation between increasing numbers of university graduates and the increasing number of left wing governments.

Erm...

I find the argument that less educated people are more likely to vote Tory insulting as you point out the older you are the less like your are to have had a degree but that is nothing to do with intelligence. The other point is that older people have had more experience and realise that the ideals of youth are just that ideals.

mrginge

ukcarper wrote: »

I find the argument that less educated people are more likely to vote Tory insulting as you point out the older you are the less like your are to have had a degree but that is nothing to do with intelligence. The other point is that older people have had more experience and realise that the ideals of youth are just that ideals.

I remember the 80s when all the old gimmers kept Maggie on the throne and the young were up in arms about it.

Fortunately those old gimmers are dead now, so all the 80s young are now hardcore labour and all the new voters are also hardcore labour because we’ve educated them so much. Oh and the working class are all labour because, well they are working class and labour is the party of the working class.

That’s why we don’t have Tory governments in charge any more. :doh:

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

Britain’s so callled ‘Brexit weakness’ doesn’t explain the Litvenyenko (sic!) murder or the alleged 13 other state sponsored murders on British soil, all or most I think predate our vote to leave the EU.

It seems to be more likely due to a gentlemans agreement with security services to look the other way for minor infractions, in exchange for Russians spending huge sums of money in the country. Something that isn't likely to go away with Brexit (I don't think it'll get any worse, but it might get better if Russians stop wanting to spend money here).

Plus we're never going to go to war with them if an ex-Soviet spy ends up dead in the UK.

cepheus

mrginge

As they would say on the DT brexit thread ..... !!!8216;yawn!!!8217;

movilogo

cepheus wrote: »

and none of the fastest growing economies are in EU

For an economy, which is already large, it is much harder to grow compared to BRIC nations which are rising much faster.

StevieJ

[QUOTE=movilogo;74016030]and none of the fastest growing economies are in EU

For an economy, which is already large, it is much harder to grow compared to BRIC nations which are rising much faster.[/QUOTE]

Hasn't Turkey joined yet :-)

Moby

Tromking wrote: »

Britain’s so callled ‘Brexit weakness’ doesn’t explain the Litvenyenko (sic!) murder or the alleged 13 other state sponsored murders on British soil, all or most I think predate our vote to leave the EU.
Trump’s relationship with Putin is subject to close scrutiny at the moment, I’m not sure the US’s current stance is an indicator of the U.K ‘s diminishing influence.
When mainland Europe relies on Gazprom for 40% of its gas, I’m guessing any support for the U.K. has to be tempered by necessity.
The ‘Britain is going to hell in a handcart’ argument is not particularly accurate in my opinion, it’s a useful narrative if you regret the Brexit vote however.

Putin is upping the ante now though and a lot of people are saying he's showing a growing contempt for us. There must be a reason for that? He has Trump in his pocket, Tillerson has just been sacked just after he spoke out strongly on our side???? Even traditional republicans can't understand Trump:- David Frum, a Republican former speechwriter to George W Bush but a fierce critic of Donald Trump’s, has written a strong column for the Atlantic about the White House’s refusal to blame Russia for the Salisbury attack. ...... For now, though, we are presented with the most astounding yet Trump default from traditional U.S. alliances and leadership. At Monday’s White House press conference, Sarah Huckabee Sanders rebuffed repeated questions about whether the U.S. even supported the U.K. finding of fact about Russian responsibility. As the default continues and expands, the evidence accumulates: Trump simply will not act to protect the U.S. and its allies against even Russian aggression, even on their own territory, even in the form of attempted murder. Trump’s inaction speaks louder than any words. It is a confession for all to hear. Guy Verhofstadt however, the European Parliament’s Brexit coordinator, called for EU leaders to agree “countermeasures” against Russia at a summit next week. The former Belgian prime minister, who has been a vocal critic of the British government over Brexit, said the attack had taken place on what was “still European soil”. He said: Mrs May has said this is an attack against Britain as a country and I think that a common reaction in the next European Council (summit) is absolutely needed and countermeasures are (should) be decided by the EU. We need a common European response to this outrage.

cogito

ilovehouses wrote: »

You say Poles are racist. Someone with Polish roots suggests there's good reason. Someone else suggests there are no good reasons and it's time to move on. You leap into defend someone who tries to justify something you apparently abhor.

If anyone leapt in, it was your buddy, Arklight, who basically said to Sapphire 'hard luck about your relation. Get over it'. Sensitive soul, isn't he?

Moby

ukcarper wrote: »

Moby wrote: »

Perhaps it is because radical socialism does not work and a socialist government would wreck the country.

What works for whom though? For me this present Govmt 'does not work'. Not for selfish reasons but I would contend that Tory Govmts don't work for people who are young, poor, disadvantaged, vulnerable etc. In my post I was adding debt and propery ownership as reasons why people don't rebel. I think we worship house ownership in this country and see it as symbolic of having 'made it'....I'm contending that's rather short sighted for the reasons I've given.