Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Given that radical capitalism doesn't seem to be working, socialism might be worth a try? I mean, all we have to do is look after the needy, it's not that radical.

We've got the Labour party. Though they seem to be directionless at the moment. How long before the party splits one wonders.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

When did the really savage austerity measures kick in? 2016?

If you've better ideas I'm sure there'll be welcomed. :cool:

Austerity or in some peoples eyes sensible financial management. Has some way to go. The problems are far from resolved. Politicians only interested in the next election. Not the longer term future.

ukcarper

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Property ownership has became a leveraged investment rather than a home.

I think that is true for some people, but for the majority they just want a secure home and at present home ownership is the best if not only option. Unfortunately in many parts of country it's no longer an option.

LHW99

When did the really savage austerity measures kick in? 2016?

If you think our austerity measures have been "savage" I suggest you try the ones Greece has been enduring for the past 7 years or so.

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

When did the really savage austerity measures kick in? 2016?

They haven't and they never did. Some people can convince themselves that borrowing tens of billions every year is living within their means.

BobQ

Rinoa wrote: »

Is it?

The vast majority of those who never experienced life before the EU voted remain.

Those of us who did overwhelmingly voted to leave.

How curious.

AS Vince Cable said the old voted for nostalgia in their dotage and the young voted for the future. Tragically the old will never get the nostalgia and the young will have to live with what their dead elders wanted for them.

BobQ

Richard_Overton_2911 wrote: »

Maybe you and the EU would like us Leave voters to wear an emblem on our coats/jackets to make us easily spotted at the ports,train stations and airports.............. What would you like? Maybe a star ?.

Yes that would be acceptable to the EU , all us Brexiteers to wear a star on our clothes so we can be easily singled out from the rest...

I would settle for an EU passport while you had a British one.

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Life was very different just a 100 years ago. My great grandfather was a docker in Limehouse. Paid when there was work. No work no pay. No state benefits in those days.

I recall similar things, my grandfather telling me that he cycled 20 miles to the docks every day to stand outside the dock office and see if he was one of lucky ones picked for a job.

Wasn't the EU that bettered and improved peoples lives. But people doing it for themselves. Something which sadly has been lost in the past few decades.

I agree with what you say but suspect you will not agree with my interpretation. It was people rather than the EU. People who organised collectively to fight for rights through trade unions achieved much change. Women campaigning for the vote and for equal pay. Workers fighting for better health and safety in dangerous industries and for decent pensions

The EU merely harmonised some of these improvements and brought some nations up to the level of the best.

Of course when they had achieved these things they took them for granted and lost the will to do things for themselves and now these things are gradually being taken away from them. I suspect more quickly outside the EU than in. For many self employment is a way of doing this.

People standing up and initiating change is a lost art. Today protest is labelled militancy and people only ever want to look after themselves. One day people will realise that they will continue to lose the modern conditions they take for granted and they will have to work out how to win the battles their great grandfathers fought and won..

Moby

ukcarper wrote: »

That's my fear all Corbyn will achieve is a more right wing Tory party.

I remember Harold Wilson and the way the prospect of his Government was described by many people. He was hated by the right as a radical, extreme socialist etc.....the Mail campaigned against him daily. People fall for this guff all the time.

Moby

BobQ wrote: »

I agree with what you say but suspect you will not agree with my interpretation. It was people rather than the EU. People who organised collectively to fight for rights through trade unions achieved much change. Women campaigning for the vote and for equal pay. Workers fighting for better health and safety in dangerous industries and for decent pensions

The EU merely harmonised some of these improvements and brought some nations up to the level of the best.

Of course when they had achieved these things they took them for granted and lost the will to do things for themselves and now these things are gradually being taken away from them. I suspect more quickly outside the EU than in. For many self employment is a way of doing this.

People standing up and initiating change is a lost art. Today protest is labelled militancy and people only ever want to look after themselves. One day people will realise that they will continue to lose the modern conditions they take for granted and they will have to work out how to win the battles their great grandfathers fought and won..

Excellent point which the complacent forget. If you've ever had a dispute with management you'll experience some of this again. Good documentary on R4 last night about how this Govmt outsourced contracts to do the maintenance work in prisons and how this has driven down standards. Shocking stuff. You can see our Brexit future and why its the hard right that want it. 'Taking back control' is code for deregulation of working rights and conditions.