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Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

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  • BobQ
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    Lornapink wrote: »
    The City backed Remain, you agreed.
    The City warns Labour is a bigger rick than Brexit, you ignore.

    Then the city must accept Brexit.
    Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.
  • cogito
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    buglawton wrote: »
    Talking of cherry picking:
    There are 1 million Ukrainians in Poland! They are being used to fill the gaps left by Poles departing for places like... the UK.
    http://www.france24.com/en/20180108-focus-ukraine-poland-immigration-european-union-work-employment-economy-wages

    Where does this immigration-by-proxy end? And it's proof positive that the EUs current FOM stance (plus that cherry picking for others but not the UK) is suppressing wages over here - because Poles' wages are being pushed down by Ukrainians. The EU might just as well let the Ukraine join too. Oh wait...

    More solid reasons that a firm Brexit is correct.

    I've posted on this point several times. I visit Poland regularly and if some people consider Brits to be racist, you should hear what the Poles have to say about Ukrainians.
  • Sapphire
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    cogito wrote: »
    I've posted on this point several times. I visit Poland regularly and if some people consider Brits to be racist, you should hear what the Poles have to say about Ukrainians.

    Indeed. However, speaking as someone with Polish roots, there are historical reasons why this is the case, e.g. Ukraine fought on the side of the Germans during the Second World War, and the Ukrainians were incredibly cruel to Polish citizens. My grandmother's brother was even killed by Ukranians, before the war.
  • Arklight
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    Lornapink wrote: »
    The City backed Remain, you agreed.
    The City warns Labour is a bigger rick than Brexit, you ignore.

    I’d rather have a Labour Brexit than a Tory Remain. The City would rather have Tory anything forever than a Labour government for one term.

    I don’t think the Labour Party in general naturally looks for the approval of bankers to determine whether it’s doing okay, so I’ll politely ignore Morgan Stanley's opinion as they would the shocking news that Unison and Ken Loach aren’t very keen on them.
  • Arklight
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    Sapphire wrote: »
    Indeed. However, speaking as someone with Polish roots, there are historical reasons why this is the case, e.g. Ukraine fought on the side of the Germans during the Second World War, and the Ukrainians were incredibly cruel to Polish citizens. My grandmother's brother was even killed by Ukranians, before the war.

    Most of us had grandparents and great grandparents who were killed by someone in the war or the war before. It was over 70 years ago and you need to let it go.

    This is why there is a generational divide with Brexit.
  • Arklight
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    Tromking wrote: »
    I'm sorry Arky, that is borderline rubbish you've written there.
    The right to self determination as espoused by the UN is what applies to territories under dispute, that said are Gibraltar and NI under dispute?
    What will the UK potentially have to "kow-tow" to?
    The EU will no doubt sympathise with the interests of its member nations, that in of itself doesn't change anything if the people living there are happy with the status quo.

    The existence of Gibraltar is an affront to the red blooded Spaniard. In fact he looks to that accursed rock and the humiliation of the Treaty of Utrecht as a catalyst of unending resentment.

    As would you if Spain had annexed Hayling Island, put a giant military base on it, covered it in monkeys, and stopped you sailing to Calais.
  • cogito
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    Arklight wrote: »
    Most of us had grandparents and great grandparents who were killed by someone in the war or the war before. It was over 70 years ago and you need to let it go.

    This is why there is a generational divide with Brexit.

    Pitiful. Sapphire doesn't need to let anything go. It was a simple statement of fact.

    The only reason there is a generational divide on Brexit is that nobody under 45 has any experience of life outside the EU.
  • cogito
    cogito Posts: 4,898 Forumite
    edited 12 March 2018 at 11:39PM
    Arklight wrote: »
    The existence of Gibraltar is an affront to the red blooded Spaniard. In fact he looks to that accursed rock and the humiliation of the Treaty of Utrecht as a catalyst of unending resentment.

    As would you if Spain had annexed Hayling Island, put a giant military base on it, covered it in monkeys, and stopped you sailing to Calais.

    In much the same way as the Moroccans regard Ceuta, Melilla and the plazas de soberania..
  • Herzlos
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    cogito wrote: »
    Pitiful. Sapphire doesn't need to let anything go. It was a simple statement of fact.

    The only reason there is a generational divide on Brexit is that nobody under 45 has any experience of life outside the EU.

    The implication being that if we had experienced life outside the eu we'd vote to leave? Are you just talking historically or geographically? I've lived both in it and outside it.
  • buglawton
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    Arklight wrote: »
    The existence of Gibraltar is an affront to the red blooded Spaniard. In fact he looks to that accursed rock and the humiliation of the Treaty of Utrecht as a catalyst of unending resentment....
    So much so that up to 300,000 Spaniards commute to Gibraltar every day for their employment :)
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