Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

cogito

Moby wrote: »

Who cares what IDS thinks about anything. He'll not be an MP soon if our neighbouring Labour Party's campaign achieves its objective. Any tory in a London seat is at risk....ask Boris! https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/06/britain-eu-motives-brexit Good article on the EU strategy and the reasons.

There are, as I write, 192 comments on the article, most of which dismiss it as the tosh that it is. Interesting that Guardian readers are dismissive of a Guardian opinion piece.

cepheus

A predicted exodus of European doctors, nurses and care workers following Brexit will be disastrous for Alzheimer’s patients and their families, according to a pioneering dementia scientist who was on Tuesday named as a joint recipient of the world’s most prestigious prize in neuroscience.

Speaking at a press conference in London ahead of the announcement of the winners of the 2018 Brain prize, Prof John Hardy, of University College London, described the UK leaving the EU as an “unmitigated disaster for science and an unmitigated disaster for the health service”, adding that he planned to donate some of his prize money to the anti-Brexit campaign group Best for Britain.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/mar/06/brain-prize-winner-calls-brexit-a-disaster-for-the-nhs-and-science?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Moby

cepheus wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/mar/06/brain-prize-winner-calls-brexit-a-disaster-for-the-nhs-and-science?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Don't bother mate....didn't you know we don't listen to experts anymore......... the old people of Barnsley know what's best for our future....they are planning our new trade deal with Hong Kong while waiting for the carer to prepare their tea.

Moby

I get it......... shoot the messenger if the message is uncomfortable. The point is though the evidence mounts up day after day. Of course everyone can have an opinion but if I'm ill I'd rather listen to a qualified doctor rather than a witchdoctor.

wunferall

Moby wrote: »

I get it......... shoot the messenger if the message is uncomfortable. The point is though the evidence mounts up day after day. Of course everyone can have an opinion but if I'm ill I'd rather listen to a qualified doctor rather than a witchdoctor.

I get it ................... you mean like you did here.

Moby wrote: »

That was not convincing at all. Real barrel scraping effort. Try harder mate;)

Do you know what evidence is? Evidence is the facts that keep being posted that you ignore, not the opinions of others.
Like business growth at a 2-year high that you tried to rubbish as above. Like record numbers in work. Like new factories. Like new car models being made in the UK. etc. etc. etc.
THAT is evidence.


Oh and BTW, I would rather see a doctor that is straight with me than a doctor more interested in telling me what he thinks I want to hear.

Rinoa

cepheus wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/mar/06/brain-prize-winner-calls-brexit-a-disaster-for-the-nhs-and-science?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

EU nationals account for 5% of england NHS doctors and nurses.

EU nationals account for 5% of england population.

If every EU national left tomorrow, we would have exactly the same doctor patient ratio as we do now.

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

Don't bother mate....didn't you know we don't listen to experts anymore......... the old people of Barnsley know what's best for our future....they are planning our new trade deal with Hong Kong while waiting for the carer to prepare their tea.

What do have against the good people of Barnsley?
Why are your fellow North Walians in Wrexham spared your derision?

ukcarper

Filo25 wrote: »

I can only think this implies you thought we did have the EU over a barrel and they were therefore going to offer us a better deal than any other trading partner they have outside the EU.

So far the EU line has seemed to indicate that their base for negotiation will depend upon what we are willing to offer them in return and we will then build a similar relationship to the templates already in place with other nations.

If we aren't willing to remain in the Customs Union or Single Market then why exactly would they offer us a deal considerably better to the one which has been painstakingly negotiated with Canada?

From what I can see this isn't a case of us being punished to discourage others from leaving, we just aren't being done any special favours we seem to think that we deserve. There is obviously a selfish aspect to that from the EU point of view, if people start getting offered fantastic deals outside the EU without any of the obligations members have then that really would threaten the integrity of the EU.

I haven't seen anything yet which I would view as "unfair" from the EU, more a case of unrealistic expectations in the UK being disappointed.

No I didnt think we had EU over a barrel but I though they might do a bit more to protect one of their bigest export markets especially when you consider that they export more to us they we do to them.

Thrugelmir

No interest in the challenges the UK has faced from FOM. Yet a core European member shouts about immigration, and there's sympathy.

“The message we hear is: continue being very, very tough on asylum. Be tough as you can on immigration. And then get even tougher,” said a senior European Union diplomat.

Italy’s centre-left Democratic Party won less than a fifth of the votes, losing to anti-establishment and right-wing parties that campaigned hard against immigration.

Under pressure from eurosceptic rivals, mainstream EU politicians read it as meaning they must take a hard line on immigration or risk losing power.

“Italy has, it’s undeniable, suffered for months and months under the pressure of migration. This very strong migration pressure is a context we should keep in mind,” said French President Emmanuel Macron.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-italy-election-europe-analysis/italian-vote-heralds-tougher-eu-stance-on-migration-idUKKCN1GI281

Filo25

Thrugelmir wrote: »

No interest in the challenges the UK has faced from FOM. Yet a core European member shouts about immigration, and there's sympathy.



https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-italy-election-europe-analysis/italian-vote-heralds-tougher-eu-stance-on-migration-idUKKCN1GI281

FOM has nothing to do with North African immigration to Italy though, does it.

The Single Market obviously sets out rights of movement for EU workers within the EU, it says little about how to treat mass migration from outside the EU.