Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

Imo they have to hide the real reasons because many of them are pretty ugly as I explain above. Ultimately it's about power and who has it and who is losing it.

I'm not sure an ex-Miner living in an politically abandoned Pit Village had much power in the first place Moby.
The irony of course is that many in the immigrant communities that you laud have just as many questionable views as some of the established white population do.

StevieJ

cogito wrote: »

Makes a change from the usual QT audience stacked with Guardian readers.

Mmmmm?

The BBC has reminded staff on its flagship Question Time programme of the need to be impartial at work and on social media after a producer was found to have shared posts from the Facebook page of far-right party Britain First.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/bbc-question-time-producer-britain-first_uk_5846dfabe4b019db8c11add0

Lornapink

Well, well, well
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-07/eu-trade-plan-falls-short-of-what-u-k-is-seeking-brexit-update
Line on Tariff-Free Goods to Please Brexiters (11:49 a.m.)

In the U.K., Brexit campaigners are likely to be happy with the EU!!!8217;s offer of tariff-free trade in all goods and no quota limits. They have long claimed that the bloc would have no economic interest in putting up tariffs, especially as it has a substantial goods trade surplus with the U.K. -- but they will welcome seeing it in print.

!!!8220;It!!!8217;s the standard offer in any EU trade agreement,!!!8221; says Sam Lowe, a research fellow on trade issues at the Center for European Reform. !!!8220;They love zero tariffs in goods, because they sell a lot of cars.!!!8221;

Filo25

Lornapink wrote: »

Well, well, well
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-07/eu-trade-plan-falls-short-of-what-u-k-is-seeking-brexit-update
Line on Tariff-Free Goods to Please Brexiters (11:49 a.m.)

In the U.K., Brexit campaigners are likely to be happy with the EU!!!8217;s offer of tariff-free trade in all goods and no quota limits. They have long claimed that the bloc would have no economic interest in putting up tariffs, especially as it has a substantial goods trade surplus with the U.K. -- but they will welcome seeing it in print.

!!!8220;It!!!8217;s the standard offer in any EU trade agreement,!!!8221; says Sam Lowe, a research fellow on trade issues at the Center for European Reform. !!!8220;They love zero tariffs in goods, because they sell a lot of cars.!!!8221;

A tweaked Canada style deal then, hardly unpredictable

Lornapink

Herzlos wrote: »

Sneering liberals is definitely a problem;

It's a shame, because if the problems were articulated properly and actually listened to, we could have dealt with them without burning the economy to the ground in protest.

Thing is 'liberals' are intolerant authoritarians.
Instead of seeking to understand the huge detriment citizens endure thanks to MASS immigration, they seek to 'enlighten' the semi-conscious proles & convince them that their lived daily experiences of mass immigration are mere phantoms cooked up in the Daily Mail. They convince themselves people in East Anglia or Surrey have little experience of immigration, that they've simply succumbed to the narratives of the right wing press. Nonsense, people go by their lived experiences.

'Liberals' have impossibly weak arguments whereby they imply if we just built another 5 million homes, all would be well. Utter nonsense, all that would happen is even more immigration would ensue, attracted to the new housing and other resources, so we're back to square one. Totally unsustainable clap-trap.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm not saying that isn't the case; lots of people will be outraged with the deal May gets,

People care more about their personal situations. Than political posturing. The effect on the ground will be minimal.The sun will rise in the morning and set in the evening. We survived the GFC. Brexit is just another day.

Lornapink

Filo25 wrote: »

A tweaked Canada style deal then, hardly unpredictable

I've been dipping into this forum for a few years (my ex was a member) and seeing endless insistence by Remainers that there's no way we'd even get tariff free trade in goods;

1) EU unity is first & foremost
2) Only 4% of their exports come to UK - a nothing
3) EU business will put EU cohesion well above trade - EU biz wont beat Merkels door down
4) EU 'will just sell more into the massive EU market to make up for lost trade

Seen many Brexiteers predict Remainers would try and cover-up their past predictions by saying 'oh we knew all along a good deal would be done', lol - bingo

Lornapink

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5390860
'In fact, as Political Scrapbook has repeatedly pointed out, German firms aren!!!8217;t dreading Brexit like many the newspapers here think.
In fact they would rather protect the EU Single Market.
Why? Because the EU is a far bigger market than the UK, and preserving the EU makes more sense to them, financially and politically'.

vivatifosi

Key points from Tusks speech on EU negotiations. Draft guidelines sent 2 hours ago, hopes they will be adopted at EC meeting in March.

We don't want to build a wall. UK want to remain partners and friends after brexit.

Propose close work in following areas:

Security
Culture
Flights

Core of issue; TM confirmed UK will leave CU, SM and ECJ , so the only model remaining is a trade agreement. Tusk.. common zero tariff on goods proposed. Will need agreement on services and propose to keep fisheries as is.

Trade will not be frictionless or smoother, it will be more complicated and costly.

Two key tests...
Test of balance of rights and obligations... can't have rights of Norway with obligations of Canada
Test of integrity..no member state is free to accept only those parts that it likes, or to follow ECJ when it chooses.

Hopefully managed to capture majority of and spirit of his speech. Don't have a keyboard to hand so not word for word.

Lornapink

Lornapink wrote: »

What cherry picking does the EU want from the UK?

Our £40 bn.

They enjoy the security UK military projection provides.
.
They want good access to our lucrative market

They want access to the vast capital markets the City provides. No EU financial centre comes anywhere close. Hindering that capital flow, damages EU economy.

If one can cherry pick, then so can two.

(I also said previously they want access to our fishing grounds)


The European Union publishes its negotiating position for post-Brexit trade talks;

EU wants tariff-free and quota-free trade for goods

There can be no cherry-picking or !!!8220;partial participation!!!8221; in the single market, as the U.K. wants

Services will only be included with restrictions

EU is ready to change its position if the U.K. rubs out its red lines

EU wants close cooperation on defense, security and policing

Bloc wants to maintain existing reciprocal access to fishing waters and resources