Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Moby

Lornapink wrote: »

Alistair Campbell says she tried to blind us with science. Iain Dale says she gave too much detail.

Which subconscious reality-filter is correct, theirs or yours?

Campbell was right....he just put it inaccurately....there was nothing 'scientific' in what she said. It was just more hot air saying we want a bespoke cherry picking deal and tried to sell this to the 27 on the basis it suited them as well as us. I will say this though....one thing was new.....for the first time she acknowledged things are going to be different in the future.....now she needs to make the jump and change the 'different' to 'more difficult' or 'poorer'!

Moby

Such a move would inevitably raise military tensions in Europe and cause ill feeling and thankfully will not happen.

Lornapink

Moby wrote: »

Such a move would inevitably raise military tensions in Europe and cause ill feeling and thankfully will not happen.

Right, so it's ok for the EU to take a tough line with us in the negotiation, no matter what.

But it's not ok if we simply ask European nations to deliver on their commitment to pay 2% of GDP to defence, even though we pay this 2% & Europe benefits by our military projection?

Let me guess, that's not a case of EU cherry picking...


If UK was one of these not delivering on the 2% commitment you lot would say we're a laughing stock on the world stage. This reveals undiluted bias as opposed to objective truth

Lornapink

Moby wrote: »

Campbell was right....he just put it inaccurately....there was nothing 'scientific' in what she said. It was just more hot air saying we want a bespoke cherry picking deal and tried to sell this to the 27 on the basis it suited them as well as us. I will say this though....one thing was new.....for the first time she acknowledged things are going to be different in the future.....now she needs to make the jump and change the 'different' to 'more difficult' or 'poorer'!

I've noticed that Remainers wont say whether the EU is cherry picking what it wants from us such as our £40bn and to benefit from our delivering on the NATO 2% spending commitment.


Are you boys a little scared to admit the EU is cherry picking?

Moby

Lornapink wrote: »

Right, so it's ok for the EU to take a tough line with us in the negotiation, no matter what.

But it's not ok if we simply ask European nations to deliver on their commitment to pay 2% of GDP to defence, even though we pay this 2% & Europe benefits by our military projection?

Let me guess, that's not a case of EU cherry picking...


If UK was one of these not delivering on the 2% commitment you lot would say we're a laughing stock on the world stage. This reveals undiluted bias as opposed to objective truth

This issue has nothing to do with the EU its a NATO issue.

Moby

Again.......... this is a NATO issue! 'In readiness' for what?

Moby

We haven't signed up to PESCO and are not contributing towards it. We have NATO to defend Europe, we don't need to withdraw to UK shores. I agree other countries in NATO should meet their 2% spending commitment.

Thrugelmir

cepheus wrote: »

The EU holds the cards unless the UK wants to crash out without a deal, and incur a significant cost, something a very large majority of our electorate rejects.

Not in the EU's wider interest for the UK to crash out. There's some benefits to doing so though.

cepheus

Lornapink wrote: »

So the EU doesn't need our £40bn?
Why then is there much argument as to who will pick up our lost annual club fee from 2021, if as you say £40bn divorce fee is of no importance?
Who will cover out lost £40bn divorce fee if as you say the money is not important (as they hold all the cards)?

My understanding is that the £40bn divorce bill has been agreed irrespective of whether we crash out, these are our commitments. If we didn't pay that then our credit rating would crash to banana republic status which would be far more expensive. It's a bit like a young person refusing to pay out for a gas bill, which sounds like a good idea until you apply for a credit card, loan or mortgage, then it'll cost many times more.

Our annual fee isn't as much as you think since we would normally get much it back, for our farmers for example, as part of the CAP. We have agreed to continue to pay them directly of course. As you know that 350 million/week figure was largely false, or at least a far greater exaggeration than the 2000 million/week it'll lose us in lost trade.

Rough_Justice

More brown trouser times ahead for the EU as 5 Star are asking to form a government in Italy as are the League, leading to what Juncker described last month as the worst-case scenario for the EU.

It is "theoretically possible for the EU's nightmare result to come true", our correspondent says - this would be a coalition between Five Star and the League.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43272700

Parliament doesn't reconvene in Italy until March 23rd and it will not be until after then that their president starts talks about forming a government so they are in for a bit of a wait.
It also completely destroys any Europhile delusions that populism within the EU is in decline.

Talking of which I notice that no-one has tried answering this which I see was posted earlier; I wonder why?


How is Italy a sign of EU success?