Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Matt_L

Good Lord, yesterday we seemed to have a little harmony between those that voted leave and remain, in fact the remainers were even claiming a great victory, whats happened??

Seems the remainers have gone back to remoaning all over again....

gfplux

This is a super piece from infacts. It also very funny. Great writing.
Yes you Brexiters will say they would say that would not they.
Just read it.
https://infacts.org/rees-mogg-telegraphs-impotence-bojo-loses-mojo/

SOME QUOTES
Theresa May’s speech yesterday contains plans to turn us into vassals. But Brexit ayatollah Jacob Rees-Mogg wrote in the Telegraph that those who complain are nitpicking. Meanwhile, Boris Johnson tweeted that the speech sets out a “clear and convincing vision”.

What has happened to these two bold Brexiters who previously pounced on any concession to the EU, screaming “vassal state”? The answer is that they know they are virtually powerless.

Rees-Mogg and Johnson desperately need a Brexit deal because they are worried that there will be no Brexit at all if the government tries to crash out of the EU without one. Their mantra of “no deal is better than a bad deal” has been replaced by “any deal is better than no deal”.

So as the prime minister makes one u-turn after another in her attempt to get a deal with the EU, Rees-Mogg and Johnson are having to suck up some pretty unpleasant medicine. But they have every interest in pretending to their supporters that it’s as sweet as honey. After all, if the punters realise we are being turned into vassals, they might not want Brexit at all.
For Rees-Mogg, biting his lip on vassaldom is a new phenomenon. When he took over as leader of the European Research Group, the hardline Tory backbench body, he wanted to grab headlines with fiery comments. Now he seems more worried about frightening the horses.

Not only has Rees-Mogg just come out with his nitpicking comment. He has not made a song and dance about May’s flip-flop this Wednesday when she agreed to let EU citizens coming here during the “transition” period that she’s desperate to secure have virtually the same rights as those who come now. Only five days earlier, he said he’d be astonished if a “lady of great backbone” made such a u-turn.
END QUOTES

But can not stop laughing.

gfplux

Rinoa wrote: »

Banks require substantial funds and operations when moving to their EU offices. Finance companies and insurers don't, they can just brass plaque with all the real work done in London.

Ireland have complained bitterly to the Commission that Luxembourg are being very lax on regulation to entice firms to move there.

Well, they do have previous history don't they.

Thank you Rinoa.
As my mother said. Sticks and stones may break your bones but jealous words can not hurt you.

gfplux

wunferall wrote: »

What council leaders think is "evidence" nowadays?

You voted for them. Do you have elections in your area on May 3rd. Which Brexit loving party will you vote for?

gfplux

wunferall wrote: »

Exactly, champagne is one sparkling wine amongst many.
The quality/price ratio is far more important to people than your claims about tariffs. That's maybe why Champagne sales are decreasing. Your "champagne drinkers" are wising-up and realising there is much better out there for the money. That won't magically improve for French producers post-Brexit but it could well get worse for them.

Italian Prosecco, French Crement and Spanish Cava producers are very happy. They are enjoying replacing any fall in champagne sales.

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

Nothing much surprises me about Boris - he's consistently inconsistent.

I have been looking for Rees-Mogg comments and there has been a change in tone. He's been bought off.

I thought we were trying to promote a culture of compromise in order to get a deal done?

I guess we could call it a capitulation if we really wanted, but then wouldn’t we have to say the same if the EU end up shifting their position too?

gfplux

ilovehouses wrote: »

It always has been. Nothing has changed.



You made the claims about tariffs by saying we could get cheaper ex EU sparkling wine post brexit - I just did the calculation. It probably won't happen but even if we went down that route it's worth about 2% off a fairly standard Australian sparkling wine - neither here nor there.

If the quality/ price ratio is a priority then you aren't a Champagne buyer - you're more likely deciding between Cava, Prosecco or Jacobs Creek sparkling. There's an analogy with cars - if you want a Bentley you don't buy a Toyota because it has a better quality/ price ratio.

I don't think people are 'wising up'. Champagne has simply got far more expensive since the referendum due to the fall in sterling. We're talking about £s per bottle rather than the pennies per bottle that import duty represents on your favourite bubbly.

That 2% will disappear in Marketing costs. That is not taking account of shipping and pollution costs by shipping from the other side of the world on a container ship burning bunker Oil.

gfplux

A_Wanderer wrote: »

Toe-may-toe. Toe-mah-toe.
Protectionism. Price rigging.

The French/EU have the monopoly on the name and do keep the price artificially high in comparison to others, they restrict imports into the EU and stop completely others like Canadian Champagne which is legally allowed to be called this.
In the States you can buy (good IMHO) Canadian Champagne for just over $8/bottle.
Californian Champagne starts from about $6/bottle.
By contrast go into Carrefour & the cheapest Champagne is around 12 Euros.


You said it yourself Herzlos so it seems you agree, champagne IS a rip-off.
At least you're supporting Catalonians in buying Cava but try South African Klein Constantia Brut from about £15 or if that's too rich for your pocket (though it is excellent) the M&S NZ Mount Bluff is about a tenner. Both are far superior to any Cava.

Hello wanderer, welcome.
Thanks for the tips.

When everyone discusses alcohol in the U.K. don’t compare prices outside as the duty levied by the Government is often the largest part of the price.

Elsewhere others have misunderstood marketing and the price premium commanded by Brands such as Champagne, sports shoes, watches, cosmetics, jeans etc etc etc.

gfplux

Rough_Justice wrote: »

Siemens are opening a new train factory in Goole.


Building starts this year it seems although jobs etc. depend upon new contracts they say.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/02/siemens-to-set-up-train-factory-in-east-yorkshire

That’s wonderful news, thank you Rough. Do keep us up to date when they get the new contracts.

gfplux

Breaking news. Not needing any comment. This will interest a number of Brexiters who spend a lot of time looking over the channel.
Yes it is off topic, sorry.

Germany has a Government as from about five minutes ago.