Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

mrginge

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/03/council-leaders-across-uk-believe-brexit-will-hurt-local-economy
More evidence for the brexiteers to ignore.

I thought after yesterday the remainers have ‘won’ ?

Why the need to keep rubbing salt into the wounds?

wunferall

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/03/council-leaders-across-uk-believe-brexit-will-hurt-local-economy
More evidence for the brexiteers to ignore.

What council leaders think is "evidence" nowadays?

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

In previous plain English you've said Germany calls the shots and the others do as they're told. At least be consistent.

Which shots are we are refering too? The Irish border issue is an issue because Eire has made it one.

Latvia and Estonia don't care two hoots on this topic.

wunferall

ilovehouses wrote: »

No it's not. It's an example of great marketing of what is nothing more than sparkling wine.
If I've got the tariff heading right sparkling wines attract import duty of !!!8364;32/ 100l. About 20p per bottle; I suspect if that makes all the difference to someone they aren't a Champagne drinker in the first place.

Exactly, champagne is one sparkling wine amongst many.
The quality/price ratio is far more important to people than your claims about tariffs. That's maybe why Champagne sales are decreasing. Your "champagne drinkers" are wising-up and realising there is much better out there for the money. That won't magically improve for French producers post-Brexit but it could well get worse for them.

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

I know some have declared the NI peace process complete,

Unfortunately history isn't erased that easily. Lives on through subsequent generations.

Herzlos

wunferall wrote: »

A great example of EU price-rigging, champagne.

There are many great and far cheaper alternatives from around the world, my favourites being from South Africa, Oz, NZ and the USA. You couldn't ask for a better example of protectionism than champagne since there are many far-better alternatives at most price points and - once free of the EU - we have the opportunity to reduce prices for these alternatives if we want to. If the EU play silly beggars we have the incentive to do just that.

These bubblies will be far more attractively-priced than your French tiddy liitle bottles so you get more fizz for your quid too. Now I wonder what the French will do with a champagne lake? After all, the UK already bought 20% less champagne from France in 2017 and there's still a considerable dent possible to be made in the 27 million or so bottles imported to the UK last year.
So who really thinks the French will be happy at losing even more of their biggest market (by volume) ?

Where's the price rigging?

Herzlos

mrginge wrote: »

I thought after yesterday the remainers have ‘won’ ?

Why the need to keep rubbing salt into the wounds?

No one is going to win at Brexit.

wunferall

Herzlos wrote: »

Where's the price rigging?

*Yawn*
Yadda yadda yadda. I see we are returning to the bickering approach. Joy.

Call it Champage & charge £X because it is Champagne. French, dont'cha know.
A good comparable Oz, South African or Kiwi costs less. Try some. Me and it seems a good few million from the UK already are.

Herzlos

wunferall wrote: »

*Yawn*
Yadda yadda yadda. I see we are returning to the bickering approach. Joy.

Call it Champage & charge £X because it is Champagne. French, dont'cha know.
A good comparable Oz, South African or Kiwi costs less. Try some. Me and it seems a good few million from the UK already are.

That's not price rigging; nothing is forcing the price up, as people can buy cava instead. Champagne is a protected term, like the Arbroath smoky or a Cornish pastie. It's purely branding.

Price rigging would involve forcing a monopoly on sparkling wine via tariffs and letting them whack the police up. But the price sensitive have plenty of options and almost no-one would notice it doesn't say champagne on the label.

I certainly find champagne a rip off so I just buy cava instead on the rare occasion I need any.

Thrugelmir

wunferall wrote: »

Call it Champage & charge £X because it is Champagne. French, dont'cha know.
A good comparable Oz, South African or Kiwi costs less. Try some. Me and it seems a good few million from the UK already are.

Also to do with ageing of the product, i.e. storage costs. You are comparing apples with pears with mangos. Sparkling wine covers of a multitude of variations.

Similar principles apply to Scotch.