Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Thrugelmir

wunferall wrote: »

Talking of banks I was just reading this, which yet again rubbishes that project fear favourite of banking jobs disappearing from the UK.

Jobs in time will disappear as technology takes over. Machines will trade better than people.........

Herzlos

They have a monopoly on the name and the name only, which allows some premium dye to avoiding brand dilution. That's just not price fixing, which requires a monopoly on the stuff inside the bottle. I honestly don't know anyone who would drink champagne but refuse cava.

Do you feel the same way about Scotch? Would you be happy if the Greeks started selling scotch whisky? What do you think that would do for the reputation for one of our strongest exports?

Rough_Justice

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Actually, there is legally a Californian champagne.

Canadian too.
Unsurprisingly although legal to use the name "Champagne" you cannot buy either inside the EU.
I wonder why?

Rough_Justice

Like nationalities I suppose.
I mean, you can have a Russian Cypriot EU passport-holder if you can afford it.

EU citizenship for sale as Russian oligarch buys Cypriot passport

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/02/eu-citizenship-for-sale-as-russian-oligarch-oleg-deripaska-buys-cypriot-passport

Rough_Justice

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Jobs in time will disappear as technology takes over. Machines will trade better than people.........

Some undoubtedly but nah,because you'll never see a machine throw itself from the 60th floor or spend £1 million on a Christmas party.
Machines take all the fun away.

Rough_Justice

Siemens are opening a new train factory in Goole.

The German engineering company said the new plant would be located in Goole, east Yorkshire, creating up to 700 skilled engineering and manufacturing jobs, and a further 1,700 jobs in the wider UK supply chain.

Maier said that in the current climate of Brexit uncertainty, it was easier to justify an investment decision to build a factory in the UK that would supply the domestic market, rather than one reliant on export orders from the rest of Europe.

Building starts this year it seems although jobs etc. depend upon new contracts they say.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/02/siemens-to-set-up-train-factory-in-east-yorkshire

Rough_Justice

Arklight wrote: »

Doesn’t seem to put you off voting for the Tories though does it?

Your psychic abilities are off.
Again.

Herzlos

A_Wanderer wrote: »

A bit of a tangent there.
Explained already; you can legally have Californian Champagne and Canadian.
Why can you not buy either in the EU?

Can you legally have Greek Scotch?
No.
You CAN though have Greek whisky (if you really want to. I don't think I would.).
You can have Japanese, Irish or Welsh too.

Why can't you buy it in the eu? Because champagne is protected. You could change the labels to Canadian sparklewine and sell it with no issues. It protects the buyer and the region, just like scotch.

It's still not price fixing.

Arklight

wunferall wrote: »

A great example of EU price-rigging, champagne.

There are many great and far cheaper alternatives from around the world, my favourites being from South Africa, Oz, NZ and the USA. You couldn't ask for a better example of protectionism than champagne since there are many far-better alternatives at most price points and - once free of the EU - we have the opportunity to reduce prices for these alternatives if we want to. If the EU play silly beggars we have the incentive to do just that.

These bubblies will be far more attractively-priced than your French tiddy liitle bottles so you get more fizz for your quid too. Now I wonder what the French will do with a champagne lake? After all, the UK already bought 20% less champagne from France in 2017 and there's still a considerable dent possible to be made in the 27 million or so bottles imported to the UK last year.
So who really thinks the French will be happy at losing even more of their biggest market (by volume) ?

You realise that the EU aren’t preventing you from buying sparkling wine, right?

Do you seriously think people walk up to the champagne shelf in Waitrose, shrug their shoulders and say, “The price of this is outrageous, there will be no celebratory fizzy wine in my house this weekend,” then walk back right past all the Prosecco and other fizzy white wines?

Well there’s another Brexit triumph right there. You can have Champagne that isn’t from Champagne, and Kent cheese can now be mass produced in Wisconsin and there’s nothing those snooty cheese makers in Kent can do about it.

Well done Brexiteers.

Rough_Justice

Is there any chance of moving on from post after post about Champagne to something more relevant to the thread title, or are some of our usual suspects determined to prove the following correct?

wunferall wrote: »

*Yawn*
Yadda yadda yadda. I see we are returning to the bickering approach. Joy.

Italy vote tomorrow and look likely to join other European countries in not only taking an age to form a coalition but also to have populists in their parliament. Italy, whose GDP growth was lower in 2017 than the UK (and who are not leaving the EU, yet at least) and whose GDP per capita continues to fall whilst the UK's rises.

Germany tomorrow discover whether the SPD will accept a coalition with Merkel's bunch - and it's looking close as to which way it will go. Failure to agree will probably mean another election in Germany which in turn would probably mean both the end of Merkel as well as a rise in seats for the right wing Afd.

Relevant to this thread because the UK don't have populists or right-wing extremist seats in Parliament.
In the EU it's a sign of discontent with their system; we chose Brexit and more & more EU citizens are looking for alternatives too.