Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

phillw

Herzlos wrote: »

I don't particularly like Corbyn, though he's consistent, consistently on the right side of history, and seems to genuinely care. He's just got the Charisma of a mouldy cabbage, and doesn't seem to be able to lead a party.

He's several orders of magnitude less bad than May though, who seems to be barely capable of pretending to be human.

The joys of democracy. Such a flawed system, but thanks to a 52% to 48% vote it's being hailed as a perfect system which everyone should respect.

wunferall

Filo25 wrote: »

I was just thinking yesterday it had been a while since I had heard that!

No doubt because certain factions would be grumbling along the lines of "Again? Move on ...." so
I believe the current favourite is "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed". Which (surprise surprise) received the same "it's meaningless" outcry as "Brexit means Brexit" from certain of the remain faction whilst all the time ignoring that it means exactly what it says. Until the dotted line is signed there IS no agreement.

Also no doubt the pro-EU faction would howl "provocation" if, at the time when May is due to spell out plans for the future, such confrontational terminology were to be in regular use against the EU . No matter what it looks like in the eyes of certain remainers nothing will ever satisfy their desire for a soft Brexit which is a shame because as they were told from day 1 that there was no such thing and that the UK would either be in the EU or out. Out it will be.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

He's several orders of magnitude less bad than May though, who seems to be barely capable of pretending to be human.

Nothing like reducing a debate to a tirade of blather. Childish, pathetic and pointless to say the least.

mrginge

phillw wrote: »

The joys of democracy. Such a flawed system, but thanks to a 52% to 48% vote it's being hailed as a perfect system which everyone should respect.

Who’s hailing it as perfect?

More selective making-things-up to justify a personal view methinks.

I saw ken Clarke on QT last night. Now I don’t mind ken, he’s fairly sensible on occasion.

But he made a very impassioned justification for voting against the govt based on his own views and he was very keen on having his views accounted for.

Fair enough.

Then he told the good people of Blackpool that despite their personal views on fracking, the govt had the right (and duty) to override them and force actions on them if they believed it to be in the national interest.

So as far as ken goes, it’s trust the govt unless it does something he doesn’t like.

Rinoa

Herzlos wrote: »

He said that he'd "look at [improving things]", made no implications he'd do anything about it. Funnily enough the only ones that took this as a definitive guarantee are those that don't like him. It might not even be wiping detbt but changing the loan terms to be fair.

Why do you think over 1 million 18-24 year olds registered to vote in the month before the election.

43% voted in 2015, 57% voted in 2017. Easy to see why, they all thought Jeremy would cancel their student debt.

Here's what he said to NME:

“First of all, we want to get rid of student fees altogether,” Corbyn told NME. “We’ll do it as soon as we get in, and we’ll then introduce legislation to ensure that any student going from the 2017-18 academic year will not pay fees. They will pay them, but we’ll rebate them when we’ve got the legislation through – that’s fundamentally the principle behind it. Yes, there is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and I’m looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden.”

http://www.nme.com/news/jeremy-corbyn-will-deal-already-burdened-student-debt-2082478

Backbiter

You seem to be confusing the words reduce and cancel.

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

I don't particularly like Corbyn, though he's consistent

Consistent? As in consistently in favour of leaving the EU until this week? How is it possible to reconcile being in a Customs Union and leaving the EU.

Theophile

cogito wrote: »

How is it possible to reconcile being in a Customs Union and leaving the EU.

There is currently a country that is in a Customs Union with the EU while it's not a member of the EU.
There you go, reconciled.

buglawton

Some nuggets buried in recent DT articles on James Dyson and on the decision by Toyota to build the Auris in the UK:

On how a the FTA with the US has benefited Australia (after their local protected industries got over the shock):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/03/01/toyota-build-new-auris-model-derbyshire-factory-vote-confidence/
Australia s High Commissioner Alexander Downer... "the removal of trade barriers can be a shock to industries as they open up factories to global competition... Australian factories found themselves uncompetitive... overall... free trade has been a boon to Australians... free trade agreement with the US... worked a treat ... 94pc of our exports go there duty free, 100pc of their exports to Australia completely duty free... particularly beneficial for low income people"

On why the UK needs to think more outwardly and not hold onto the EU's skirts:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/03/01/dyson-fighting-losing-battle-skills-despite-rapid-growth/
James Dyson said: Europe has very strict legislation... Each country has different plugs, different languages... a very difficult market compared with the United States or China (that) have a single language and less restrictive rules

phillw

mrginge wrote: »

More selective making-things-up to justify a personal view methinks.

More personal attacks. I stopped reading.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Nothing like reducing a debate to a tirade of blather. Childish, pathetic and pointless to say the least.

There is a lot of it around. One side says something provocative because they think they are obviously right & need to put the other people in their place, then the other side responds in kind.

Unless all the grand standing and show boating stops then this is a pointless conversation.