Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Arklight

Matt_L wrote: »

So funny:rotfl:

So it reads like this..

The brexit people voted for party 297 seats

The party that hasn't a clue what to say 221 seats

The stay in EU parties 11 seats

That doesn't include the DUP who also want to leave.

Now if my calculations are correct, which i think they are, then a substantial majority is for the brexit we voted for and those wanting to stay in the EU should just call it a day..

No, your calculations are not correct.

You are trying to interpret a first past the post election as a second referendum.

14.2 million people voted for UKIP and the Tories.

16.7 million British people voted for Labour, the Lib Dems, SNP and Green.

Arklight

mrginge wrote: »

Nice sideways dodge there Phil. For the second post running in fact.
At least we can now say you have no comeback on
A. The EUs willingness or ability to reform.
B. JC being as untrustworthy as any other politician.

Corbyn never promised to write off student loan debt.

https://fullfact.org/education/student-debt-what-did-labour-say/

Arklight

cogito wrote: »

Maybe. Since Sinn Fein repositioned itself as a centre left party it's advancing on both sides of the border. Look on a map of Ulster and see how it's pushed the Unionists back to the north east of the province.

Sinn Fein only needs a few gains to hold the balance of power in Eire and they don't exactly love the EU.

Whereas they absolutely love British Tory governments. Sinn Fein isn’t going to save your government, I’m afraid.

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

Whereas they absolutely love British Tory governments. Sinn Fein isn’t going to save your government, I’m afraid.

Would you point out to me exactly where I said it would.

cogito

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Iraqi wasn't a democracy though. I would recommend a trip to the Middle East if you ever get the chance. Then you'd gain an appreciation of how complex relationships between peoples are. Makes the Irish Border issue seem simple to resolve.

Indeed. If you get the chance, have a look at Eugene Rogan's 'Fall of the Ottomans'.

vivatifosi

cogito wrote: »

Maybe. Since Sinn Fein repositioned itself as a centre left party it's advancing on both sides of the border. Look on a map of Ulster and see how it's pushed the Unionists back to the north east of the province.

Sinn Fein only needs a few gains to hold the balance of power in Eire and they don't exactly love the EU.

On my way home tonight I was listening to an article about NI and Brexit. I can't remember the exact numbers, but they said c40% of the Protestant community voted remain, compared to c70% of the Catholic community. So Sinn Fein will need to be careful not to alienate their core constituents.

I also heard Sinn Fein on TV last night being asked why, if Brexit was so important to them, they don't exercise their right to sit in the HoP. They said that had been their policy for c150 years and they weren't about to change that just because of Brexit.

Thrugelmir

cogito wrote: »

Since Sinn Fein repositioned itself as a centre left party it's advancing on both sides of the border. Look on a map of Ulster and see how it's pushed the Unionists back to the north east of the province.

Does a leopard change it's spots. Corbyn certainly hasn't. Was in south west Eire last year. Republicanism still runs deep. Also how until very recently historical English influences in that region. Where simply air brushed out. As if they never happened. Woe behold anybody that dared mentioned them either.

Rinoa

Arklight wrote: »

Corbyn never promised to write off student loan debt.

https://fullfact.org/education/student-debt-what-did-labour-say/

He implied it - and ddn't stop his supporters repeating the lie.

Here's the shadow justice minister:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS7JmLY8EP8

Backbiter

More breathtakingly wrong-headed claims about Brexit were printed by the Sun, and then retweeted by J Rees-Mogg:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/968534387057942529?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fnugwlad.freeforums.net%2Fthread%2F315%2Fbrexit-wto%3Fpage%3D335

The Sun claim that, after Brexit, a 50% tariff on a £2 pack of butter will disappear. This apparently will mean the cost will fall to £1.
They are too thick to realise that the 50% tariff is applied to the tariff-free price, so to work out the tariff-free price of butter you have to divide the £2 by three, not two.
I gather they have retracted their absurd claims now, so I trust JRM will apologise for spreading more untruths.

Arklight

Rinoa wrote: »

He implied it - and ddn't stop his supporters repeating the lie.

Here's the shadow justice minister:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS7JmLY8EP8

Gosh, I hope it didn’t influence those infant school children's votes.

Otherwise JC never said existing student loan debts would be wiped, and it was never Labour policy.

Clearly there was some confusion on the day. Considering the bald lies the Tories have told re. the NHS, raising income tax and NIC. promising to safeguard our place in the single market in 2015 then promptly adopting UKIP policy and trashing it, I don’t think it’s especially significant.