Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Theophile

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Theresa May September 2016 - "Brexit means Brexit".

As expected by many. Nothing has fundamentally changed. Certainly no change in the EU's position since Cameron's attempt to push for reform. Hard Brexit was always a genuine possibility. Seems increasingly likely. As the differences on certain topics are wide.

You're wrong.
Hard brexit is looking increasingly unlikely. You might have noticed the 'no deal is better than a bad deal' mantra has been quietly dropped.

Herzlos

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

He implied it very heavily, saying he would deal with it. He then got around to finding out how much it would cost. Even Alan Sugar said he should step down after that!

He said that he'd "look at [improving things]", made no implications he'd do anything about it. Funnily enough the only ones that took this as a definitive guarantee are those that don't like him. It might not even be wiping detbt but changing the loan terms to be fair.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

Clearly the UK calculation is still that a bespoke deal is doable.

The EU has been very clear, and firm, on the "no bespoke deals" thing.

Though I really suspect all the garbage coming out of May is just to string everyone along until either (a) a solution appears or (b) it's too late for anyone to obect, so that she can golden parachute into obscurity.

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

The EU has been very clear, and firm, on the "no bespoke deals" thing.

Though I really suspect all the garbage coming out of May is just to string everyone along until either (a) a solution appears or (b) it's too late for anyone to obect, so that she can golden parachute into obscurity.

What do you think of the labour position of looking for a bespoke deal?

Is that garbage too?

Filo25

Theophile wrote: »

You're wrong.
Hard brexit is looking increasingly unlikely. You might have noticed the 'no deal is better than a bad deal' mantra has been quietly dropped.

I was just thinking yesterday it had been a while since I had heard that!

Herzlos

mrginge wrote: »

What do you think of the labour position of looking for a bespoke deal?

Is that garbage too?

Yup. We don't have time to get a bespoke deal and the EU don't want to give us one; we aren't getting one.

Labour may have more scope with which off-the-shelf deal they pick, since they don't have such impractical red lines.

LHW99

Labour may have more scope with which off-the-shelf deal they pick, since they don't have such impractical red lines.

Labour are not in Government with the need to negotiate. There is no need for them to spell out what their red lines are - or even if they have any.

phillw

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Someone asked if 16 year olds should get the same minimum wage as 18 year olds. He immediately sais something like yes, why not. A ridiculous idea. Why would someone employ an inexperienced and probably immature 16 year old when they could have someone older and more experienced for the same cost? It totally removes the chance of 16 year olds to get weekend jobs etc and get some experience of what is expected of them in the workplace.

If you are hiring a 16 year old to do the same job as someone else then they should get paid the same amount.

If you're hiring them and training them, then you would be running an apprenticeship where the minimum wage is lower.

Does that make sense now?

Theophile wrote: »

You're wrong.
Hard brexit is looking increasingly unlikely. You might have noticed the 'no deal is better than a bad deal' mantra has been quietly dropped.

They've switched to saying you won't get BRINO now, which is no deal and a bad deal.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-22/how-may-dropped-no-deal-is-better-than-bad-deal-brexit-phrase

Maybe she just got bored of saying it, or assumed that she didn't need to say it anymore?

"In Florence, the catchphrase was notably absent.

Until, that is, she was goaded into repeating it in the question-and-answer session afterwards. A journalist asked: !!!8220;Is no deal still better than a bad deal?!!!8221; Yes, she replied."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/910656/Brexit-Jacob-Rees-Mogg-Jeremy-Corbyn-EU-European-Union-Theresa-May-David-Davis-latest

The outcome, which Mr Rees-Mogg has dubbed Brino, issued a start warning to the Prime Minister saying: "The less of Brexit you get, the more likely you are to get Jeremy Corbyn."

I'm not sure how much of a warning that is. It's a choice between more austerity and blaming the sick & the disabled for not trying hard enough along with foreign workers for trying too hard or whatever Jeremy Corbyn is offering.

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

Yup. We don't have time to get a bespoke deal and the EU don't want to give us one; we aren't getting one.

Labour may have more scope with which off-the-shelf deal they pick, since they don't have such impractical red lines.

Interesting then that you felt the need to only criticise TM when you feel that both propositions are garbage.

Perhaps it’s just because you don’t like her?
Although I doubt that can be true because you complained about JC getting such treatment in the post just before.

Herzlos

mrginge wrote: »

Interesting then that you felt the need to only criticise TM when you feel that both propositions are garbage.

Last I checked it was May heading up this mess. Corbyn is just commenting from the side lines (and doing a terrible job at taking advantage of Mays disarray). He has offered to take over though, and if he does, and makes as bad a job of it as May, then he'll get the same level of complaint.

I don't particularly like Corbyn, though he's consistent, consistently on the right side of history, and seems to genuinely care. He's just got the Charisma of a mouldy cabbage, and doesn't seem to be able to lead a party.

He's several orders of magnitude less bad than May though, who seems to be barely capable of pretending to be human.