Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Moby

setmefree2 wrote: »

According to Tony Blair Brexit is "an Historic mistake" - well I guess he knows I thing or two about historic mistakes

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Nothing new then..... just the same old straw man stuff to drown out an opposing view. Try looking at what he actually said, it might be enlightening!

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/01/may-overture-to-eu-remainers-puts-stress-on-tolerant-democracy
Mayhem's emollient tone, trying to get consensus between the factions is doomed! ....A bit like her speech outside Downing Street after her election as PM..about workers right etc...its the substance that matters.

She will make clear that Britain is aiming at a free-trade deal with Brussels, not a customs union, but will insist it should be !!!8220;the broadest and deepest possible agreement, covering more sectors and cooperating more fully than any free trade agreement anywhere in the world today!!!8221;.

Still seems to me that is still 'cherry picking'. If you come out of the Customs Union and Single Market you will have tariffs and a border. Not hard is it. Why should the 27 offer something special to us....unbelievable!

Theophile

I like how she will be:

taking into account the views of everyone who cares about this issue, from both sides of the debate

and adopt Labour's 'jobs first brexit' policy.

She will warn that any new relationship must protect jobs

We should all get behind Theresa so she can deliver the BRINO we all know is coming.

phillw

Theophile wrote: »

We should all get behind Theresa so she can deliver the BRINO we all know is coming.

If only that were true. They are going hard brexit and any talk of BRINO is purely to get the remoaners on side until it's too late.

This "holding cards close to the chest" is not to to frustrate the EU, it's to frustrate us. It's no different from the US government putting forward both the UFO conspiracy and the no UFO argument, to keep people from what noticing it was building planes.

buglawton

Moby wrote: »

Nothing new then..... just the same old straw man stuff to drown out an opposing view. Try looking at what he actually said, it might be enlightening!

Really?

Blair was on lunchtime radio on 23rd Feb giving us the argument for staying in the single market because...
"that's why Britain has an enormous trade surplus with the EU, particularly in services".
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09rwtc7#play at 14:50 in)

I was stunned that this went completely unchallenged by the Radio 4 journalist presenting it.

When the truth is 180% different.
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
"The rest of the EU sells about £80 billion more to us in goods and services than we sell to them, according to UK data so the UK runs a trade deficit with the rest of the EU"

Enlightening, yes, in the sense that it shows that Blair probably believes his own tripe, rather than consciously knowing he's lying to us.

Enterprise_1701C

Arklight wrote: »

Corbyn never promised to write off student loan debt.

https://fullfact.org/education/student-debt-what-did-labour-say/

He implied it very heavily, saying he would deal with it. He then got around to finding out how much it would cost. Even Alan Sugar said he should step down after that!

He seems to have a habit of opening his mouth and then checking his facts. I remember on the news with him going on about minimum wages. Someone asked if 16 year olds should get the same minimum wage as 18 year olds. He immediately sais something like yes, why not. A ridiculous idea. Why would someone employ an inexperienced and probably immature 16 year old when they could have someone older and more experienced for the same cost? It totally removes the chance of 16 year olds to get weekend jobs etc and get some experience of what is expected of them in the workplace.

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

Still seems to me that is still 'cherry picking'. If you come out of the Customs Union and Single Market you will have tariffs and a border. Not hard is it. Why should the 27 offer something special to us....unbelievable!

Clearly the UK calculation is still that a bespoke deal is doable.
The UKs brinkmanship and/or lack of clarity is clearly irking Barnier, and it wouldnt surprise me in the least if our Governments internal battles are wholly manufactured in order to create that annoyance in EU Commission circles.
Anyone else surprised at the lack of comment from other national leaders in what has been a quite important week for the EU27?
Did Varadkar even comment on the border issue, if he did I must have missed it. Theyre either not interested in Brexit and quite happen for the the Commission to crack on, or perhaps trying to distance themselves from the EUs approach hence Barniers frustration.
Also an inference on Newsnight last night that the Netherlands and the usual suspects in Scandinavia feel that the U.K. is being pushed too hard by Barnier etc. and that may be contrary to their national interest.
Its getting interesting.

Thrugelmir

Tromking wrote: »

Anyone else surprised at the lack of comment from other national leaders in what has been a quite important week for the EU27?

Leaders aren't due to meet yet to discuss the text. Release of the document was timed to fill the news void and build on the disharmony of UK politicians. Who seem incapable of acting in any manner other than to benefit themselves.

Worth remembering that Barnier is tied into the EPP. In no way a neutral Civil servant of the Commission. Has a powerfull influence in Brussels and across Europe.

Founded in 1976, the EPP strives for a democratic, transparent and efficient Europe that is close to its citizens. The EPP wants a prosperous Europe through the promotion of a free market economy with a social consciousness. The EPP is the EU’s centre-right party and its largest and most influential political family. The EPP currently includes 79 parties and partners from 41 countries, the Presidents of the European Commission, the European Council, and of the European Parliament, 9 EU and 5 non-EU heads of state and government, 14 members of the European Commission and the largest Group in the European Parliament.

Theophile

Tromking wrote: »

Theyre either not interested in Brexit and quite happen for the the Commission to crack on, or perhaps trying to distance themselves from the EUs approach hence Barniers frustration.

Mildly interested in Brexit, but more interested in preserving the integrity of the Single Market I'd say.

Tromking wrote: »

Its getting interesting.

About time. They were supposed to have caved in almost 2 years ago by offering us the sweetest deal ever.
Because we're so important. And Prosecco. And Mercs.

Thrugelmir

Theophile wrote: »

About time. They were supposed to have caved in almost 2 years ago by offering us the sweetest deal ever.

Theresa May September 2016 - "Brexit means Brexit".

As expected by many. Nothing has fundamentally changed. Certainly no change in the EU's position since Cameron's attempt to push for reform. Hard Brexit was always a genuine possibility. Seems increasingly likely. As the differences on certain topics are wide.