Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

phillw

cogito wrote: »

So why are they ignoring it unless they are simply trying to make mischief?

Why is it when Theresa May withholds her negotiation hand it's good, when the EU does it then it's bad? Or are you equally critical and I've missed it?

Maybe it hasn't been agreed as a workable solution? Just because the EU comes up with a study, it doesn't mean it's automatically implemented.

mrginge

phillw wrote: »

Stop the personal insults, I have no obligation to post anything.

Please report any personal insults to the mods who will act accordingly.

Reform in terms of what? I think there is willingness for reform, but not for the things demanded by leavers as those are inhumane.

We are talking about reform requested by Tony Blair, who is hardly a leaver. Do you think they will be more accommodating to tony’s Requests?

I have no data on how trustworthy he is compared to other politicians. He's human & so we can assume he's not 100% trustworthy, I've never met anyone who is.

Did you trust him on his policies in the last manifesto?
My bet is you did, even though you think manifestos aren’t worth then paper they’re written on.

Did they? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/01/a-fifth-of-labour-mps-defy-three-line-whip-to-vote-against-article-50-bill Your definition of "pretty much the whole Labour Party" differs from mine.

Oh yes well that’s definitely told me hasn’t it. Only 80% lol.

If he was doing something you wanted then you'd hold him as a hero. So whatever.

I don’t know what that means so whatever.

cogito

phillw wrote: »

Why is it when Theresa May withholds her negotiation hand it's good, when the EU does it then it's bad? Or are you equally critical and I've missed it?

You miss everything. This is hardly a secret document so there's no need for anyone to withhold anything when the solution is in the public domain. It's pretty much what the UK proposed so why is it an issue?

Rough_Justice

ilovehouses wrote: »

The UK has agreed to propose specific solutions and if those solutions couldn't be agreed between the two parties the UK agreed to 'maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union'.

Nothing about leaving it until a trade deal was on the table which would be incompatible with the commitments made by the UK in the joint report anyway. i.e. they've made a commitment regardless of any trade deal.

Not so.
As so often in this thread there are lots of posts so perhaps you missed the link in Rinoa's earlier post which I will include here again for you to digest.
It explains better than any further unnecessary discourse.
Oh and if you must still disagree please try to do so with the content, not the source.
https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2018/03/andrew-lilico-brussels-has-reneged-on-the-phase-one-deal-its-time-to-walk-away-from-the-brexit-talks.html

Thus the Government!!!8217;s commitment was that, if we did not come to some other agreement with the EU in the trade talks, we would have rules, regarding animal and plant health and welfare, customs procedures, and the framework of the all-island Single Electricity Market, that would achieve the same things the EU!!!8217;s rules in those areas achieved, but in our own way. Not that we would stay in the Single Market and Customs Union.

Tromking

cogito wrote: »

The EU commissioned their own report on how to resolve the Irish border problem and produced a solution broadly in line with the UK's proposals. Here it is:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2017/596828/IPOL_STU(2017)596828_EN.pdf

So why are they ignoring it unless they are simply trying to make mischief?

Rumour has it the first draft was in part a sop to Leo Varadkar who has a political need domestically to 'out Sinn Fein, Sinn Fein' at the moment. Also much disquiet that the EU Commission went too far with its fall back position on the Irish border.

Rough_Justice

ilovehouses wrote: »

The source is the joint report and it details what was agreed in December. I don't see how you can credibly say 'not so' when I've almost quoted it verbatim for you.

Lillico doesn't point out where in the joint report that there was agreement between the EU / UK that the UK would only make proposals for the Irish border after the UK had perused any trade deal. I know why - it wasn't agreed.

From my post.
"if we did not come to some other agreement with the EU in the trade talks"
It would help if you read the article I posted.
Lillico very clearly uses the joint report and explains it as in the above.

cogito

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The House was misled by TB. Who was well and truly duped by his US pals. What's not in dispute is that Saddam had to be removed from power.

Oh, I think it is in dispute but it was up to the Iraqi people to do it. We can't impose our ideas of democracy on a country where the people lived in tents before oil was found just because we disapprove of their way of doing things.

cogito

Tromking wrote: »

Rumour has it the first draft was in part a sop to Leo Varadkar who has a political need domestically to 'out Sinn Fein, Sinn Fein' at the moment. Also much disquiet that the EU Commission went too far with its fall back position on the Irish border.

Maybe. Since Sinn Fein repositioned itself as a centre left party it's advancing on both sides of the border. Look on a map of Ulster and see how it's pushed the Unionists back to the north east of the province.

Sinn Fein only needs a few gains to hold the balance of power in Eire and they don't exactly love the EU.

Thrugelmir

cogito wrote: »

Oh, I think it is in dispute but it was up to the Iraqi people to do it.

Iraqi wasn't a democracy though. I would recommend a trip to the Middle East if you ever get the chance. Then you'd gain an appreciation of how complex relationships between peoples are. Makes the Irish Border issue seem simple to resolve.

Herzlos

May is very keen to spin that the terms of the split are all dependent on a good trade deal, but there's none of it in the actual dealings with the eu.
She's lying to you to make it sound like she has some control and to avoid the outrage at paying the eu