Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Moby

wunferall wrote: »

Just one example being that it is far easier to make a trade deal nation-to-nation than a trade deal nation-to-27-disparate-countries-in-a-union. That's a major part of why CETA took eight years. EIGHT YEARS! Or do you not recall the Belgian spoke in the wheels?

Your example is wrong. Major trade deals are best done between blocs of countries. Japan for example is interested in the UK due to us providing a gateway into the EU. Their ministers have been clear about that. The EU is not made of disparate countries. If it was there wouldn't be an EU!

Moby

wunferall wrote: »

How is that going, Moby?
Crimea and Ukraine are in Europe and the EU bears no small part in causing that.
Trade? TBH all that the EU have done is introduce protectionism. There are many examples and I would be happy to provide some.

Ukraine is more complicated than that. A large part of Ukraine wanted to draw closer to the EU and join NATO. Putin's Russia feared that and stopped it by fermenting civil war in the Ukraine and taking over the Crimea. Your response totally ignores the points I made. Look at the history of Europe before the EU, conflict and dispute was far far more prevalent. The likelihood of Protectionism is far more likely after brexit and Trump!

Moby

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/02/20/aviation-cliff-edge-how-brexit-is-sabotaging-a-british-succe Another sad consequence of brexit.

gfplux

vivatifosi wrote: »

I would suggest that these are items that could be negatively impacted rather than will be negatively impacted. Which is why May and team need to negotiate as good a deal as possible and not just walk out.

I hope you will except may be effected.

A list of areas and industries that may be affected in a NEGATIVE way after or during Brexit. Updated 21 February 2018

higher roaming charges
Loss of EHIC medical support
British Cancer sufferers
Pet travel
British Students.
EU27 Students.
British Citizens living in the EU27
EU Citizens living in Britain
Belgian confectionary / chocolatiers
Danish pork industry
French agriculture
Spanish agriculture
Italian agriculture.
British Haulage industry
Any British manufacturing using EU components
Any British company with EU customers
Anyone who eats food
Germanys car Industry
Dutch flower growers
Rotterdam Port
Dover already damaged by large numbers of non EU immigrants landing and not moving on. Will be further damaged after Brexit.
Calais already damaged due to large number of non EU immigrants congregating in attempting to gain entry to the UK. Will be further damaged after Brexit
French wine makers
Holyhead Port
People/businesses close to the N Ireland/ROI Border
ROI
Japanese car makers in Britain
British Farmers during the withdrawal of £3 billion a year subsidies.
London Financial business.
Seasonal workers from the old Eastern Europe.
Aviation Industry

gfplux

A list of areas and industries that may be affected in a POSITIVE way after or during Brexit. updated 21 February 2018

British Farmers who embrace Mr Gove and his environmental initiatives and receive funds from the UK Government.
Indian citizens easier migration
African citizens easier migration
Chinese citizens easier migration
American Farmers
British flower growers

It is a very short list at the moment but I am sure there will be suggestions coming.

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/21/brexit-transition-period-open-ended-uk-eu-position-paper You can tell our Govmt really fears the consequences of a cliff edge brexit but is in hoc to the extremists who will not allow an extension of transition. Most people now see brexit as a sad but inevitable outcome from a democratically held vote. We are proceeding without enthusiasm to an uncertain future. May clearly does not want it but knows she has to push it through. It's predominantly the old people that want it. The young people I work with don't have any feelings about patriotism and our history.

mrschaucer

Moby wrote: »

The young people I work with don't have any feelings about patriotism and our history.

I do hope that's not true.

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

I don't see how farmers will gain a net benefit from subsidies. Seems unlikely the government are going to want to equal the subsidies they already get.

Much of UK farming is very efficient. It's EU countries that will need to pay to maintain the CAP. Don't see the French budging on that thorny issue.

wunferall

mrschaucer wrote: »

I do hope that's not true.

I'm sure it isn't.
And from Moby's link:

The UK position document, leaked in Brussels ahead of it being formally presented to the House of Commons, nevertheless suggests that on the terms of the transition period the positions of the UK and the EU are broadly in line.

It looks to me that the fear talked of by Moby is that of europhiles scared of a no-deal Brexit, since nobody I know sees Brexit as a "sad consequence". Strange how it's only ever diehard europhiles that say such things and without evidence.
No doubt Moby will explain how he has [STRIKE]grilled[/STRIKE] [STRIKE]questioned[/STRIKE] asked each one.

wunferall

ilovehouses wrote: »

As your point isn't clear (something about Davis/ Johnson and a random quote about fishing) I'll take your word for it.



No. Irony would be Gove saying Davis and Johnson were the Ronaldo and Messi of brexit if he didn't really mean it. What's funny is I suspect he does mean it - he's delusional.

Wrong. The point is perfectly clear to me and, I suspect, to most others.
A definition of irony was given and is correct in that example. You are using a different definition. As with many words in the English language, there can be more than one definition; "bow" is a good example.