Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Moby

vivatifosi wrote: »

I've learned a new word today, courtesy of Christopher Meyer, former British ambassador, or @sirsocks as he's know on Twitter.

Apparently a "pragmateer" is the person, on either side of the debate, who accepts the result and now just wants Britain to get on with it.

Link to Twitter
https://mobile.twitter.com/SirSocks

Think about that though......doesnt it sound like someone feeling obligated to do something they know is wrong but feel compelled to do out of a sense of duty?

buglawton

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/21/world-clear-eyed-brexit-reversed-eu

Sometimes it's useful to try and see ourselves as foreigners see us:-

On the first 2 of your anecdotes: Some people just don’t ‘get’ democracy, do they? Current leaders exercise their power by making bad decisions every day, till they get ousted in a general election. Much more rarely (but common in Switzerland) a referendum allows the public to make a policy decision. For better or worse, this is the point of democracy.

cogito

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/21/world-clear-eyed-brexit-reversed-eu

Sometimes it's useful to try and see ourselves as foreigners see us:-

You've gone out of your way to find an article written by someone who supports your views who has managed to find three people who support his views and presented that as evidence that that is how foreigners see us. You reall have lost touch with reality.

What the article omitted to say was that Ischinger's comment related specifically to European security and defence matters. Nothing else.

Oh, and one Guardian columnist quoted Fintan O'Toole, another Guardian columnist. A finer example of confirmation bias would be hard to find.

Out of curiosity, I googled the author and found his biog on Wikipedia. Not always the most reliable source but here it is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Kettle

Former writer for Marxism today (unsurprising for a Graun columnist) and dismissed by John Pilger as !!!8216;Blair's most devoted promoter!!!8217;. Clearly, we can expect a balanced view.

gfplux

ilovehouses wrote: »

I don't see how farmers will gain a net benefit from subsidies. Seems unlikely the government are going to want to equal the subsidies they already get.

Agreed. However some farmers will lose subsidies = negative effect
Some farmers will gain subsidies = positive effect

It will be in the hands of the British Government to hand out any subsidies even if the overall subsidy is less than it is today.

So Mr Farmer you better start being very nice to any Minister you happen to meet. Perhaps even donate to a political party. If you are a very very big farm you could make a very very big donation.

gfplux

Are Brexiters afraid of lists? Or just afraid of lists of things that may benefit from Brexit?

My list has been around for a few days.

A list of areas and industries that may be affected in a POSITIVE way after or during Brexit at 21 February 2018

British Farmers who embrace Mr Gove and his environmental initiatives and receive funds from the UK Government.
Indian citizens easier migration
African citizens easier migration
Chinese citizens easier migration
American Farmers
British flower growers
African flower growers


Yet one particular benefit that has been shouted from the rooftops, that has been repeated over and over has not been added.
Well hit me with a wet kipper! Why has no Brexiter added BRITISH FISHING INDUSTRY to the list.

Do not worry I will do it for you.

A list of areas and industries that may be affected in a POSITIVE way after or during Brexit at 22 February 2018

British Farmers who embrace Mr Gove and his environmental initiatives and receive funds from the UK Government.
Indian citizens easier migration
African citizens easier migration
Chinese citizens easier migration
American Farmers
British flower growers
African flower growers
British Fishermen

gfplux

buglawton wrote: »

On the first 2 of your anecdotes: Some people just don!!!8217;t !!!8216;get!!!8217; democracy, do they? Current leaders exercise their power by making bad decisions every day, till they get ousted in a general election. Much more rarely (but common in Switzerland) a referendum allows the public to make a policy decision. For better or worse, this is the point of democracy.

Here is an Indian view written by a London based correspondent.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/a-disunited-kingdom/547002.html

I will not post any of the content. It is a three minute read.

Hopefully it will not discourage all those seasonal workers that will be invited to Britain after Brexit.

buglawton

gfplux wrote: »

Here is an Indian view written by a London based correspondent.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/a-disunited-kingdom/547002.html

I will not post any of the content. It is a three minute read.

Hopefully it will not discourage all those seasonal workers that will be invited to Britain after Brexit.

Quite amusing to see an Indian journalist describe the UK as a fading state and failing economy, when poverty and inequality in highly corrupt India puts anything in the UK in the shade.

Herzlos

India doesn't have to be perfect for an Indian to see problems with the UK.

Moby

Another one bites the dust:-
http://whtc.com/news/articles/2018/feb/21/british-government-braces-for-unilever-move-to-netherlands-ft/

Moby

buglawton wrote: »

Quite amusing to see an Indian journalist describe the UK as a fading state and failing economy, when poverty and inequality in highly corrupt India puts anything in the UK in the shade.

Still....as I say above its always interesting to see ourselves as others see us. I realise its painful.