Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

economic

Filo25 wrote: »

If you want a better NHS spend more money on it not less, we do not spend a particularly high proportion of GDP on healthcare by the standards of the developed western world, certainly compared to your beloved US model.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS

Nobody is going to "prove" CBT works, medical science doesn't generally work that way, there are plenty of studies however which show it is effective in managing anxiety and panic disorders (as are other treatments) hopefully as time goes on they will find more cost effective ways of delivering it.

Why should our healthcare spending be based on GDP?

Sierra Leone has a higher healthcare spend as a % of GDP then the UK. If spending as a % of GDP was so important, why do they have an average life expectancy of only 50 whilst uk is around 80?

Same with Malawi. And other countries.

economic

Qatar has a life expectancy similar to ours. But they have one of the lowest healthcare spends vs GDP. Why?

economic

Filo25 wrote: »

Nobody is going to "prove" CBT works, medical science doesn't generally work that way, there are plenty of studies however which show it is effective in managing anxiety and panic disorders (as are other treatments) hopefully as time goes on they will find more cost effective ways of delivering it.

There should at least be some unbiased studies showing all sorts of treatments and their effectiveness. Can you point me to one about CBT?

economic

Japan spends a lot less on healthcare as a % of GDP then the US. Yet Japan and US life expectancy is very similar. Why the differences in spending yet the outcome is the same?

Filo25

economic wrote: »

There should at least be some unbiased studies showing all sorts of treatments and their effectiveness. Can you point me to one about CBT?

Look up the Cochrane reviews there are plenty on there

I'm not sure why you have such a bee in your bonnet about CBT being a con, its fair to say there are also other alternative treatments and you can also question how its delivered but not sure why you have this obsession with it not working at all, anyway it;'s Christmas day and I've wasted enough time repeating myself when I really should have better things to do, have a good one!

economic

Filo25 wrote: »

Look up the Cochrane reviews there are plenty on there

I'm not sure why you have such a bee in your bonnet about CBT being a con, its fair to say there are also other alternative treatments and you can also question how its delivered but not sure why you have this obsession with it not working at all, anyway it;'s Christmas day and I've wasted enough time repeating myself when I really should have better things to do, have a good one!

i think you are missing the point completely hence your confusion. Just because you may have thought CBT worked for you, does not mean it has actually worked and is effective. If we turn a blind eye and just accept things as they are without questioning if a treatment works and if there are better alternatives then we are potentially heading towards a very dangerous path.

Herzlos

economic wrote: »

The US is expensive because of Obama. What Trump wanted with healthcare reform was the right thing and would bring costs down but of course it did not get passed.

Can you explain why you think that? Since it contradicts everything I've seen of it, and I once ran up a $50,000 hospital stay, years before Obama.

US health care is expensive because of health insurance, providers, lobbying and a deeply ingrained fear that tax funded care is communist. There's also the fear that tax funded care would cost the same as insurance funded care, when in reality it'd cost less than the co-pay (excess) in most cases.

economic

Herzlos wrote: »

Can you explain why you think that? Since it contradicts everything I've seen of it, and I once ran up a $50,000 hospital stay, years before Obama.

US health care is expensive because of health insurance, providers, lobbying and a deeply ingrained fear that tax funded care is communist. There's also the fear that tax funded care would cost the same as insurance funded care, when in reality it'd cost less than the co-pay (excess) in most cases.

Were you or are you a US citizen?

GreatApe

Herzlos wrote: »

Can you explain why you think that? Since it contradicts everything I've seen of it, and I once ran up a $50,000 hospital stay, years before Obama.

US health care is expensive because of health insurance, providers, lobbying and a deeply ingrained fear that tax funded care is communist. There's also the fear that tax funded care would cost the same as insurance funded care, when in reality it'd cost less than the co-pay (excess) in most cases.

Probably the main reason healthcare is expensive in the USA is that they pay their doctors a lot more. A radiologist earns about 3x more in the USA

Since productivity in healthcare is pretty much the same across both countries (same drugs same machines same speed to perform an operation) it means in real terms the American health industry costs a lot more because they pay their healthcare workers a lot more.

So why do doctors and other healthcare workers earn more in America?
Well they have a stronger economy but perhaps also because their medical professions are more successful at limiting competition.

I think probably the NHS is better then the American system because there is some pressure from government against the medical profession limiting numbers to keep prices high. In the USA the profession is more successful in limiting numbers to create scarcity to push wages up.

Pretty much worldwide the medical profession is successful at limiting numbers to keep prices high. If you look at the country with the most doctors per capita Israel it spends one of the smallest sums in the world on healthcare 7.5% of GDP.

The main aim of government should be to screw the medical profession price fixing racket but since doctors have a lot of respect and are smart people they are good at rigging the system to favor themselves. That is true in the UK and it is more true in the USA.

qwert_yuiop

Well it seems we’re about to find out how universal basic income works, since it’s being introduced in Scotland.