Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

System

Tromking wrote: »

The EU bubble on this only exists because its the EU that are insisting Poland gets back into line. I wonder how bothered other nations are with it though. My guess is not a lot.
The rise of Eastern European populism is a burgeoning issue for Brussels it has to be said.

In more usual times I think alarm bells would be ringing in Washington, Berlin & the UK. All three are turning a blind eye; Germany doesn't have a government, the UK needs brexit allies and the US is more worried about Russia.

It's great timing for a power grab.

Arklight

Moby wrote: »

Have to say it's all a bit desperate now. All the Brexiteers are doing is pointing out flaws in the EU and saying it's all going to come crashing down and we're better off out etc. Bottom line that's all just wishful thinking which seems to be hoping for political upheaval which quite frankly is rather irresponsible and takes no account of the positives the EU has actually achieved such as bringing in the Eastern European countries into the west's orbit instead of leaving them to a resurgent Russia under Putin; no credit is given to the way in which war and squabbling has been avoided between us, Germany, France, Spain for the longest time in history; no credit for the wonderful freedoms of free movement we have had for so long travelling to truely wonderful places...........but we are going to get our blue and gold passports back......so depressing. I'm sure the EU will be gladly rid of us and it won't be long before we realise that we we won't be returning to our role bestriding the world as the workshop of the world......We'll just be a second rate country on the edge of the continent scrabbling around for scraps of influence and using a long faded history to puff ourselves up when morale gets low.

If it finally puts an end to the corrosive class based imperial jingoism that has blighted this country for generations, it might be worth it.

I'm not sure if it's age, or education, or class or what, but many people in England have an attitude towards 'foreigners' and their own exceptionalism that seems to come from the 1890s.

Having them have a dose of reality might be better for all of us in the long term.

Arklight

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

To me the old passports felt like something real, they had hard covers and they were respected, when I got my first eu one I was very disappointed in it.

It was strange after we joined the eu. When I was a young child I remember we could get a day passport to go to france, used to get it at the booth before we went across. That stopped when we joined the eu, that to me is a bit strange.

Good luck sticking your respected hardcover passport in one of the biometric machines that you need to get into the US, or any other developed country that doesn’t record immigration in a hand written ledger.

But at least now we'll be able to queue up for a day passport to get into France again, like peasants in a Russian novel.

ukcarper

Arklight wrote: »

Good luck sticking your respected hardcover passport in one of the biometric machines that you need to get into the US, or any other developed country that doesn’t record immigration in a hand written ledger.

But at least now we'll be able to queue up for a day passport to get into France again, like peasants in a Russian novel.

Can you travel to France now without a passport.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

I have to admit to just not getting it though; it gets my across the borders I need it to so I don't care what it looks like. This new one will potentially make getting across borders harder / more time consuming, so in my views it's going to be a failure anyway - as it makes it entire purpose harder to achieve.

Once within the EU there are no borders. Seems as if you are simply trying to find fault where none exists.

kabayiri

Ballard wrote: »

As has already been pointed out, we will get blue passports back in a few years time. I actually quite like the current ones but don't have anything against the redesign.

A genuine question with no hidden agenda - Is getting the new passport important to you?

No. Its of no interest to me.

Sign of a government desperate to curry favour with the mass es that's all.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Once within the EU there are no borders. Seems as if you are simply trying to find fault where none exists.

Not quite, once within Shengen there are no border points. I'm pretty sure there are still borders around Shengen and non-shengen countries. Usually in the EU queue it's pretty quick.

That's a quick queue we don't get to use anymore, so get to wait in the slower one.

ukcarper

kabayiri wrote: »

No. Its of no interest to me.

Sign of a government desperate to curry favour with the mass es that's all.

Can’t see it makes any difference will have to issue new passports at some stage might as well be blue.

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

Not quite, once within Shengen there are no border points. I'm pretty sure there are still borders around Shengen and non-shengen countries. Usually in the EU queue it's pretty quick.

That's a quick queue we don't get to use anymore, so get to wait in the slower one.

Several EU countries have suspended Schengen because of terrorism concerns. I’m surprised this doesn't get more publicity. Hamish denied it because he hadn't been stopped crossing borders but I saw checks recently when crossing from France into Germany near Strasbourg. It's fairly inconspicuous but it's definitely happening.

buglawton

So the Catalonia news is just on, the independence party edged it, the Spanish PM seems to have 'done a May'.

Is there a malaise creeping across the EU?
- First UK Brexits
- Germany fails to form a govt due to many extremist MPs getting in
- Austria forced to form a coalition with Nationalist extreme right wing party
- Spain in Catalonian independence crisis
- Nearly forgot Poland, being sanctioned by EU on it's right-wing ruling partys disregard for rule of law.

Now tell me the above is not part of a pattern.
The UK looks like a paragon of common sense compared.