Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Moby

Have to say it's all a bit desperate now. All the Brexiteers are doing is pointing out flaws in the EU and saying it's all going to come crashing down and we're better off out etc. Bottom line that's all just wishful thinking which seems to be hoping for political upheaval which quite frankly is rather irresponsible and takes no account of the positives the EU has actually achieved such as bringing in the Eastern European countries into the west's orbit instead of leaving them to a resurgent Russia under Putin; no credit is given to the way in which war and squabbling has been avoided between us, Germany, France, Spain for the longest time in history; no credit for the wonderful freedoms of free movement we have had for so long travelling to truely wonderful places...........but we are going to get our blue and gold passports back......so depressing. I'm sure the EU will be gladly rid of us and it won't be long before we realise that we we won't be returning to our role bestriding the world as the workshop of the world......We'll just be a second rate country on the edge of the continent scrabbling around for scraps of influence and using a long faded history to puff ourselves up when morale gets low.

vivatifosi

Moby wrote: »

Have to say it's all a bit desperate now. All the Brexiteers are doing is pointing out flaws in the EU and saying it's all going to come crashing down and we're better off out etc. Bottom line that's all just wishful thinking which seems to be hoping for political upheaval which quite frankly is rather irresponsible and takes no account of the positives the EU has actually achieved such as bringing in the Eastern European countries into the west's orbit instead of leaving them to a resurgent Russia under Putin; no credit is given to the way in which war and squabbling has been avoided between us, Germany, France, Spain for the longest time in history; no credit for the wonderful freedoms of free movement we have had for so long travelling to truely wonderful places...........but we are going to get our blue and gold passports back......so depressing. I'm sure the EU will be gladly rid of us and it won't be long before we realise that we we won't be returning to our role bestriding the world as the workshop of the world......We'll just be a second rate country on the edge of the continent scrabbling around for scraps of influence and using a long faded history to puff ourselves up when morale gets low.

It cuts both ways Moby. For every Brexit supporter who dismisses the benefits of the EU, There's a Remain supporter who dismisses the benefits of the UK.

Both have their advantages and disadvantages.

Ballard

As has already been pointed out, we will get blue passports back in a few years time. I actually quite like the current ones but don't have anything against the redesign.

A genuine question with no hidden agenda - Is getting the new passport important to you?

System

Tromking wrote: »

Make that the perceived benefits.
I don't suppose there's much to be gained in the UK preaching to Poland at this stage. We'll leave that to the fella's with German sounding names in Brussels. That'll go down well in Warsaw I'm sure.

I think we're caught in an EU bubble. What's happening in Poland will be appearing on a few countries foreign policy watch list and not just those with German surnames.

gfplux

vivatifosi wrote: »

I do hope that they are heavily redacted. If they aren't, some are terribly lightweight. Eg fintech gets 4 pages, life sciences 20. There is also a severe lack of numbers and charts in the former.

It makes me sad to read and see how poorly they have been put together.
I am not one to believe in conspiracy’s but I want to believe that the clumsy way Britain lead by DD have approached the negotiations is all part of a cunning plan!
Then I wake up.

Britain has been served badly by the present Government.

Enterprise_1701C

Ballard wrote: »

As has already been pointed out, we will get blue passports back in a few years time. I actually quite like the current ones but don't have anything against the redesign.

A genuine question with no hidden agenda - Is getting the new passport important to you?

To me the old passports felt like something real, they had hard covers and they were respected, when I got my first eu one I was very disappointed in it.

It was strange after we joined the eu. When I was a young child I remember we could get a day passport to go to france, used to get it at the booth before we went across. That stopped when we joined the eu, that to me is a bit strange.

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

I think we're caught in an EU bubble. What's happening in Poland will be appearing on a few countries foreign policy watch list and not just those with German surnames.

Rather like the end of the bull market. There are inevitabilities in life. Though no one can forecast when. A two speed Europe has been widely mooted for a while now. Tensions that exist may simply accelerate the process.

System

vivatifosi wrote: »

I do hope that they are heavily redacted. If they aren't, some are terribly lightweight. Eg fintech gets 4 pages, life sciences 20. There is also a severe lack of numbers and charts in the former.

I'm glad someone else noticed. They don't seem to contain much more than a collection of google search results.

We now know Davis was being less than honest about these documents. I suspect he lied, never expected to get called on it, and was forced to cobble stuff together sometime later.

In a few years there will be some cracking autobiographies when some light might be shed on what's happening in government today.

Herzlos

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

To me the old passports felt like something real, they had hard covers and they were respected, when I got my first eu one I was very disappointed in it.

I have to admit that I'm too young to have ever had a blue passport, but I've been through 3 red passports and I haven't had any cause for concern.

Is the passport format really that big of a deal? Will anyone be happier when the cover is now blue? The new blue passports still won't look anything like the old ones since security has changed a lot in 40 years, and probably won't have this much loved hard cover.

I have to admit to just not getting it though; it gets my across the borders I need it to so I don't care what it looks like. This new one will potentially make getting across borders harder / more time consuming, so in my views it's going to be a failure anyway - as it makes it entire purpose harder to achieve.

Tromking

ilovehouses wrote: »

I think we're caught in an EU bubble. What's happening in Poland will be appearing on a few countries foreign policy watch list and not just those with German surnames.

The EU bubble on this only exists because its the EU that are insisting Poland gets back into line. I wonder how bothered other nations are with it though. My guess is not a lot.
The rise of Eastern European populism is a burgeoning issue for Brussels it has to be said.