Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

I doubt they have; it'd be a major sign of weakness. If May is consistent with anything in its trying to pretend to be strong. She's failed miserably but that's not the point.

It ain't over till the fat lady sings!

If you wish to reinforce your personal views. That's very easy to do. Simply passing the buck to others isn't the answer either. What we all do, in terms of millions of independent actions, has a bearing on the future prosperity of the UK.

Ballard

Its funny how Brexiteers have been arguing that Britain is in a far stronger position the Europe ever since the campaigning started for the referendum but we are allowing the EU to bully us. As I see it either we aren't in quite such a strong position or the people negotiating on our behalf just aren't very good.

My thinking is that it's actually a combination of the two.

Thrugelmir

Ballard wrote: »

the people negotiating on our behalf just aren't very good.

Do you know them personally? Have you been party to the discussions? I suspect not.

kabayiri

Ballard wrote: »

Its funny how Brexiteers have been arguing that Britain is in a far stronger position the Europe ever since the campaigning started for the referendum but we are allowing the EU to bully us. As I see it either we aren't in quite such a strong position or the people negotiating on our behalf just aren't very good.

My thinking is that it's actually a combination of the two.

If you really want to negotiate with a much bigger opponent, you have to isolate the components which make up that opponent IMO, and look for the weakest links.

It's pretty obvious where they are. We could have forced the Irish economy to it's knees....something which the UK has form for doing previously.

I don't think the UK government has the stomach for making difficult decisions. Labour are effectively undermining the position for their own political goals.

kabayiri

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Do you know them personally? Have you been party to the discussions? I suspect not.

The calling of the GE was poorly handled I do think. Why May chose controversial manifesto elements I will never know.

It's the only real evidence we have of her administration and how focussed they are. All the EU detailed discussion is, as you say, kept from our gaze.

Ballard

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Do you know them personally? Have you been party to the discussions? I suspect not.

Quite clearly I don’t know them personally but what other possibility could there be? Either the EU are in a stronger position than us or they’re weaker but we have a weak team.

Ballard

kabayiri wrote: »

Labour are effectively undermining the position for their own political goals.

Well it couldn’t possibly be the fault of the Tories.

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

And you think there would be a majority for that?

For re-joining the EU without our special exemptions? If it's better than the alternative there will be.

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

It's a question which can't be asked in government. It's only today they've managed to discuss what the UK's relationship with the EU might look like post brexit and weren't even able to talk about immigration. If anyone asked if it was possible to just change our minds I think the atmosphere in cabinet might get a little 'frosty'.

I suspect it's a conversation too far for labour too.

It’s not themselves they need to ask but EU.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

For re-joining the EU without our special exemptions? If it's better than the alternative there will be.

Why people voted out and re-joining without exemptions will be worse than now. You need to accept that we will be leaving and hope we can get a good deal.