Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

ukcarper

Filo25 wrote: »

If we reversed the decision before Article 50 expires the legal opinion seems to be that our exit would simply be cancelled and we would return to the EU on our previous terms.

I was under the impression that to reverse decision the EU would have to agree.

cogito

Filo25 wrote: »

If we reversed the decision before Article 50 expires the legal opinion seems to be that our exit would simply be cancelled and we would return to the EU on our previous terms.

The EU have aready said that we wouldn't, legal opinion or not.

ukcarper

gfplux wrote: »

We have to wait and see. It may be that if British opinion began to move against the damaging process of leaving the EU British pro Brexit politicians would suggest the EU would want new terms.
Perhaps even EU27 politicians who don’t want Britain to change its mind (I don’t know of any but they don’t need to speak up yet) would also speak about new terms even including joining the Euro to keep Britain on course to disaster.

We will It would have to be conclusive that opinion has change. I don’t think that the EU would be against us staying but they might take opportunity to alter terms in thier favour.

tracey3596

ukcarper wrote: »

We will It would have to be conclusive that opinion has change. I don’t think that the EU would be against us staying but they might take opportunity to alter terms in thier favour.

Yes, and if they alter the terms in their favour even more will then decide we're better off leaving.
:T

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

I don't have a problem - I'm not as confident as you but it does seem the chances of a hard brexit are receding.

The issue is that the likes of Rees-Mogg are plotting for a hard brexit. 'Remoaners' could pull their necks in safe in the knowledge he'll fail but, as Ballard explained, to stop opposing could be seen as tacit agreement.

I can see that nice Mr Rees-Mogg suggesting in his quiet and polite way that a hard brexit would be great and pointing out he's got a plan that even remain voters aren't arguing against.

Presumably your concern regarding Mr Rees-Mogg and his desire to influence govt policy in accordance with his beliefs extends out to every other MP and their own ‘plotting’ across a whole host of issues. I’m sure you wouldn’t just single out one example.

Of course if i’ve got that wrong can you give us your lists of good MP plotters and bad MP plotters.

As you say though, the non-Rees-moggs have ample opportunity to thrash the pants off him and his ilk. I wonder who you’ll cast your ire towards if they fail to do so. My guess is you won’t be congratulating said Mogg on a battle well won.

mrginge

gfplux wrote: »

I also think that the difficult process of leaving the EU is not in the long term interests of Britain.
I also believe in Democracy.
I only hope that between now and March 2019 the true horror and damage will become apparent and the British people will call for the complex process of leaving the EU to be reversed.
Just because Britain goes through the damaging process to leave will not stop me believing it’s wrong.
We just have to wait and see what happens Week by week and month by month.

Thanks gfplux.
You might have seen, earlier your bestie mayo was telling us about the disaster that’s awaiting us, but unfortunately she didn’t have the time to put some quantifiable numbers out there.

I see you’ve progressed onto ‘true horror’.
Any chance you could help us all out. I’d love to know what how long the recession will last, how much gdp will plummet by and how many jobs are going.

Remember how we all laughed at ‘project fear’. That was funny wasn’t it. Not now though, it’s deadly serious.

kabayiri

ukcarper wrote: »

I don’t see how it can be reversed do you really think the EU would let us do that on existing terms. I voted remain and I certainly wouldn’t vote to remain if it meant adopting euro or giving up our rebate.

Has anyone in government or opposition actually asked that question?

It seems useful to know the answer.

ukcarper

kabayiri wrote: »

Has anyone in government or opposition actually asked that question?

It seems useful to know the answer.

If they have they aren’t telling us the ans.

Herzlos

I doubt they have; it'd be a major sign of weakness. If May is consistent with anything in its trying to pretend to be strong. She's failed miserably but that's not the point.

ukcarper wrote: »

I don’t see how it can be reversed do you really think the EU would let us do that on existing terms. I voted remain and I certainly wouldn’t vote to remain if it meant adopting euro or giving up our rebate.

Our rebate and opt outs are gone, leave saw to that. The real question is if the deal we get to stay in is better for us than the alternative?

Either way we're worse off, it's just a matter of damage limitation. Hopefully we can bung the eu enough cash to let us back in under our old terms. We've cost them a fortune I'm admin and wasted time already.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

I doubt they have; it'd be a major sign of weakness. If May is consistent with anything in its trying to pretend to be strong. She's failed miserably but that's not the point.



Our rebate and opt outs are gone, leave saw to that. The real question is if the deal we get to stay in is better for us than the alternative?

Either way we're worse off, it's just a matter of damage limitation. Hopefully we can bung the eu enough cash to let us back in under our old terms. We've cost them a fortune I'm admin and wasted time already.

And you think there would be a majority for that?