Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

kabayiri

tracey3596 wrote: »

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That's nothing new either as this was also covered by Politico way back in June. So is Barnier blustering ................. or ignorant?
https://www.politico.eu/pro/from-banks-to-avocados-eu-seeks-mexico-trade-upgrade/

Barnier is playing a good game IMO. I guess that's what he is paid to do.

If you go in hard into negotiations, you have to back it up. The UK negotiating team of Bodgit & Run didn't quite understand this.

tracey3596

mayonnaise wrote: »

However, our trade with India and China combined tots up to the trade we do with France. And that's just one of the 27.

Since the future major economies are projected to be China and India do you not consider it sensible to develop and increase trade ties with them then?
The EU share of global economy has already been shrinking and this was likely to accelerate even without the loss of the UK.
Better to move on now.
"Strike while the iron is hot" so to speak, rather than wait until such countries are completely in the driving seat and deals elsewhere have already been made whilst the EU flounders due to indecision and disagreement.



https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-has-shrunk-percentage-world-economy/

https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/issues/the-economy/assets/world-in-2050-february-2015.pdf

tracey3596

ilovehouses wrote: »

He's negotiating.

On his own in front of the press?
:rotfl:

tracey3596

kabayiri wrote: »

Barnier is playing a good game IMO. I guess that's what he is paid to do.

If you go in hard into negotiations, you have to back it up. The UK negotiating team of Bodgit & Run didn't quite understand this.

I do get what you're saying.
Honestly I do.
But really!

A "good game" isn't really a good game if all the other players already know the rules but one person keeps trying to change them, does it? It's like a footballer picking up the ball in his hands and roaring over the line in a rugby try!

By all means go hard into negotiations but there's absolutely no need at all to be as blatantly belligerent as so many of the senior EU lot have been.

System

tracey3596 wrote: »

On his own in front of the press?
:rotfl:

Yes; I think it's called megaphone diplomacy.

EDIT. A government spokesman was asked about this during the earlier press conference about the brexit cabinet meeting..

This is the beginning of the phase two negotiations. You would expect the commission to be setting out their position. I would imagine you will hear a lot more from them before you hear less.

tracey3596

ilovehouses wrote: »

Yes; I think it's called megaphone diplomacy.

megaphone diplomacy
the practice of making strong or threatening statements in order to make another country do what you want

Another word for "bullying" then.
At least that's clear (as if we didn't already know).
:T

https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/megaphone-diplomacy

Herzlos

tracey3596 wrote: »

Since the future major economies are projected to be China and India do you not consider it sensible to develop and increase trade ties with them then?

It's perfectly sensible to develop ties with them, which is what the EU is doing.

What isn't sensible is weakening ties with your biggest trading partner to try and capitalize on future growth when the trade differential is so high. Maybe when trading volumes are on parity does it make sense to ditch the large but slowly growing trading partner for the large but growing quickly trading partner.

Plus you're talking about controlling/reducing immigration, and a trade deal with India will result in an increase in immigration from India (they've said so, and we'll concede).

Will we get a better deal with India or China than the EU gets? I really doubt it. Should we? Nah.

Corporal_Perkins

The one thing I think we can all agree on is the whole EU referendum/Brexit saga has highlighted the poor quality politicians we have serving us. I remember life in the 70's up to present day and I can't remember a time when I've seen such poor debating and decision making made by both leave and remain politicians.

That actually woriies me far more than leaving the EU because they just don't seem up to the task of governing.

Arklight

Corporal_Perkins wrote: »

The one thing I think we can all agree on is the whole EU referendum/Brexit saga has highlighted the poor quality politicians we have serving us. I remember life in the 70's up to present day and I can't remember a time when I've seen such poor debating and decision making made by both leave and remain politicians.

That actually woriies me far more than leaving the EU because they just don't seem up to the task of governing.

And yet if there were an election tomorrow you would march right out and put an X next to whatever name has "Conservative" written by it without even looking. It could be a goose in a blue rosette, couldn't it? In fact judging by the miserable state of the Tory party, that would be an improvement over most of their candidates.

gfplux

mrginge wrote: »

If you are still arguing that leaving isn’t a good idea then the follow up is what you think should be done about that.
If the answer is nothing let’s get on with it, then it’s not an argument. Simply a restatement of the same debate that was finished 18 months ago.

I also think that the difficult process of leaving the EU is not in the long term interests of Britain.
I also believe in Democracy.
I only hope that between now and March 2019 the true horror and damage will become apparent and the British people will call for the complex process of leaving the EU to be reversed.
Just because Britain goes through the damaging process to leave will not stop me believing it’s wrong.
We just have to wait and see what happens Week by week and month by month.