Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

gfplux

wunferall wrote: »

Rubbish!
Far more likely is "The EU probably think if they push the UK any further then the UK would walk away saying 'no deal' " !

Thankfully that did not happen as a "no deal" would be a disaster for Britain and a big problem for the EU.

gfplux

posh*spice wrote: »

I agree - the EU don't want the May government to fall. They want their money and there is no guarantee they will get it from any other leader.

Another fantastic day on route to those sunlit uplands.

What will the Remoaners aka as Fedralists do now?

Not sure even Disney would say "another fantastic day on route to those sunlit uplands"
I assume you mean as a Quittling that today see's a step towards Britain leaving the EU with some sort of deal.
Well it looks like that is the case.
The phase one of the talks were to cover three items.
Citizens Rights, that looks good but not perfect
The financial settlement that seems agreed
The Irish Border now that's interesting perhaps to be revisited.

So all OK. Britain has to wait now to see if the recommendation that sufficient progress has been made will be endorsed by the EU27 in mid December.

Then on to trade talks and the other 100's of things that have to be agreed. Plus the big one (they are all big) the transition period where Britain will stay in the EU for nearly two years after March 2019 while all those border guards are recruited and trained, those customs officials are recruited and trained, replacements for the EDA and the EBA are recruited and trained. Those extra nurses are recruited and trained. Etc, etc.
Did I miss any? I am sure I have, can you help?

gfplux

ilovehouses wrote: »

Yes, you need the Irish citizenship.

I saw a news report earlier saying anyone born in NI could retain EU citizenship but, as far as I can see, it doesn't say that in the report.

Haven't read it yet though.

I think that is already agreed in the Good Friday Agreement.

Moby

So let me get this right… We originally said: – no ECJ jurisdiction – no confirmation of EU citizens rights in UK – no payment beyond legal obligations (‘go whistle’ – BJ) – no special status for NI – no membership of CU and SM After fifteen months of prevaricating our government has: – given way on the order of agreement – given way on the methodology by which payments are calculated – given way on EU citizens rights – given way on the Irish border – given way on ECJ jurisdiction in all but name – conceded that any trade deal will necessarily look just like being in the CU and SM for practical purposes On the way we have insulted our allies and behaved like incompetent children in front of the world. And this is a victory according to the muppets running this process?! What has actually happened Is that the UK has spun its wheels for fifteen months while the right wing of the ‘party before country’ tendency in the Tory party have been forced to realise that hard Brexit will be unmanageably damaging to the Tories, such that they are prepared to back a ‘soft’ brexit over the desires of their members, many voters, and the hard right led by JRM and IDS. Massively damaging for the UK both in terms of prosperity and credibility…. but, hey, the Tory party is better placed so that’s what matters, right? Absolutely appalling…!

gfplux

mrginge wrote: »

So all in all, the original position of the UK wanting to deal with trade at the same time as other issues appears to where we are standing today.

Wooly generalisations on the divorce bill, border and citizens rights. Wouldn’t all this have been much easier if the UK view had been accepted...

Six months wasted thanks to the EU in my book.

You actually think that the three key items agreed today would look the same if they had not had the focus on them they have had because of the phasing agreed by both sides in June 2017

mrginge

mayonnaise wrote: »

Sorry to break the news, but in your post-brexit sunlit uplands, you'll still need to master fourth grade spelling.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/people-who-correct-typos-may-be-jerks-study-finds-2016-3?r=US&IR=T

gfplux

Moby wrote: »

So let me get this right… We originally said: – no ECJ jurisdiction – no confirmation of EU citizens rights in UK – no payment beyond legal obligations (‘go whistle’ – BJ) – no special status for NI – no membership of CU and SM After fifteen months of prevaricating our government has: – given way on the order of agreement – given way on the methodology by which payments are calculated – given way on EU citizens rights – given way on the Irish border – given way on ECJ jurisdiction in all but name – conceded that any trade deal will necessarily look just like being in the CU and SM for practical purposes On the way we have insulted our allies and behaved like incompetent children in front of the world. And this is a victory according to the muppets running this process?! What has actually happened Is that the UK has spun its wheels for fifteen months while the right wing of the ‘party before country’ tendency in the Tory party have been forced to realise that hard Brexit will be unmanageably damaging to the Tories, such that they are prepared to back a ‘soft’ brexit over the desires of their members, many voters, and the hard right led by JRM and IDS. Massively damaging for the UK both in terms of prosperity and credibility…. but, hey, the Tory party is better placed so that’s what matters, right? Absolutely appalling…!

Yes, yes, yes, yes. In addition every day since June 2016 around boardroom and kitchen tables decisions have been made by Company's and family's that are and will be damaging to Britain.

gfplux

Great news.
"The Economic Partnership Agreement between the EU and Japan has been finalised.
Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmström and Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Kono made the announcement on Friday, describing the outcome as an "important milestone to put in place the biggest bilateral trade agreement ever negotiated by the European Union".

https://luxtimes.lu/world/762-eu-japan-forge-economic-partnership

mayonnaise

mrginge wrote: »

http://uk.businessinsider.com/people-who-correct-typos-may-be-jerks-study-finds-2016-3?r=US&IR=T

I agree, people correcting typos are a nuisance.
So I don't correct typos.
But if someone hasn't got the foggiest idea about how to spell a certain word (i.e. illiteracy), I'm always happy to help out.:)

wunferall

mayonnaise wrote: »

I agree, people correcting typos are a nuisance.
So I don't correct typos.
But if someone hasn't got the foggiest idea about how to spell a certain word (i.e. illiteracy), I'm always happy to help out.:)

You must have one heck of a time with gfplux then.
Oh, hang on .......... you don't, do you?

Just one example.

gfplux wrote: »

Yes, yes, yes, yes. In addition every day since June 2016 around boardroom and kitchen tables decisions have been made by Company's and family's that are and will be damaging to Britain.