Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Rough_Justice

C4 Fact Check today on the Irish border:
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-what-are-the-options-for-the-irish-border-after-brexit

FactCheck also spoke to Professor John Garry of Queen’s University Belfast. He told us: “the DUP suggest that it is feasible to put into effect a border regime using technology – for example, with cameras and pre-registration of goods – and that that should be smooth and seamless.”

He suggested that “the DUP is frustrated that, in its view, the Dublin government hasn’t engaged as constructively as it could” with the idea that this kind of technology could make smooth border a reality.

Filo25

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Not just a question of votes. The scars of the past still have not yet fully healed. Plenty of peace walls still exist. Unlike the Berlin Wall. Demolishing these will have very different consequences. Once shouldn't underestimate the hatred that still exists just beneath the surface.

Many of the attitudes especially in the respective working class communities haven't changed a great deal since the troubles, sadly.

While I think some are overstating the possibility of a return to serious violence in Northern Ireland, it would be safe to describe it as a challenging time for the peace process at present.

With the collapse of the power sharing government and the return to direct rule from Westminster, combined with the UK government now being perceived as being in the DUP's back pocket and the possibility of a hard border being introduced, it's hard to see the Nationalist community being particularly happy with the current direction of travel.

roneik

All the talk of how the economy was doing so well before the brexit vote is tosh. Millions on part time and zero hour contract, Roads almost ruined through lack of maintenance. National health service on its knees. Railway journeys a treat for the rich.Housing crisis, and wages stagnant for more than a decade. The list is enormous. No wonder people voted to leave ,they have seen no benefit from being in the EU/
The only problem I see is the calibre of the team doing the negotiations . I voted out for these reasons .
Also I believe the EU is a failed experiment. It is and has been for sometime, showing strong signs of becoming a dictatorship. Respect democracy ,the people voted to leave and the sooner the better for betterment of this countries wellbeing.

Thrugelmir

roneik wrote: »

All the talk of how the economy was doing so well before the brexit vote is tosh. Millions on part time and zero hour contract, Roads almost ruined through lack of maintenance. National health service on its knees. Railway journeys a treat for the rich.Housing crisis, and wages stagnant for more than a decade. The list is enormous. No wonder people voted to leave ,they have seen no benefit from being in the EU/

Sounds like much of Europe. Not least Germany where it's not a bed of roses at ground level.

Rough_Justice

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Sounds like much of Europe. Not least Germany where it's not a bed of roses at ground level.

Quite so because France is no better. Or Italy. Or the Netherlands. Or ................

roneik

The majority of the people working in this country are subsidised with benefits to top up their wages.
Credit is what made it resemble prosperity, unfortunately high housing costs and low pay have eroded the velocity of money travel through the economy. A great proportion of people cannot participate in the economy past survival spend. The greed of the few will eat them if this is not put in check. In my opinion there is deep anger pulsing through many that have had the wrong end of this stick.
We are at a crossroads

gfplux

vivatifosi wrote: »

As I'm sure you know, Cheddar is in Somerset, so real cheddar comes from small farms around there. However cheddar never got the protected foodstuff designation (can't think of the exact title) that links it to a region, like champagne, parmesan, etc.

So in reality you can get cheddar from all over the place. Canada, Ireland, USA, Australia... However one cheddar does have protected status: West Country Farmhouse Cheddar. So if you want the real authentic stuff, you should be buying that.
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/protected-food-name-scheme-uk-registered-products

Impact of Brexit on protected names:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36624655

So another possible casualty of Brexit will be that protected named products will loose their protection in the EU27?

gfplux

Rinoa wrote: »

Of course "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed"

The only advantage I see in offering £50Bn is that when trade discussions start and the EU say (and they will) "We're not giving you this... we're not giving you that... you're going to have to jump through this hoop...." we can say "The £50Bn is for everything, if you're not offering this it's £40Bn... if you won't agree that it's £30Bn.... etc.

When they see how much they lose, they'll be more amenable.

The payment is to cover Britains financial obligations.
If talks move on to the 100's of other things to be agreed and the trade talks the financial settlement will not be revisited. If Britain try's to blackmail the EU the trade talks will stop.
Everyone should know now that "they need us (Britain) more than we need them (EU) is rubbish.

gfplux

ukcarper wrote: »

I’m not saying it couldn’t have been handled better but it was always going to be difficult and without caving in completely I’m not sure anybody else could have done any better.

I am inclined to agree that the result would have hardly been any different.
However the route taken by the British Government to get here has not enhanced Britains reputation. It might have all been a cunning plan but Britain is a diminished Nation because of what the world saw taking place.

gfplux

Rinoa wrote: »

We had no legal obligation to pay it. If we had left without wanting a trade deal we certainly wouldn't have paid it.

Britain would then have been chased through the courts for the money. In the end the EU would have won.