Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

wunferall

I was going to post this a few days ago but here it is now, a report in The New Statesman about fractures within the EU. It's quite a lengthy read but very clear and concise.

Europe’s hidden fractures
The continent’s old crises have not been resolved.

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2017/11/europe-s-hidden-fractures

The EU and the British Remainers seriously underestimate Britain’s resilience and ability to retaliate against European “punishment” if the country were so minded, but since Brexit will happen one way or the other even the best-case scenario on this front is bad for Brussels and the national capitals.

The “EUropeans” like to say that, unlike the British, they are not talking about Brexit at all. If that is true today – and it is already untrue with regard to Ireland – it will not be so for long. The EUropeans will start talking about Brexit again towards the end of 2018 at the latest. By the start of 2019, they will be talking of little else.

As with the euro, the fundamental flaw in the system remains unaddressed. The EU is trying to run a common travel area and a common foreign policy without a common state. The EU is unable to close the border effectively, because that is the task of the member states; it lacks the ability to ensure that refugees who are admitted are distributed fairly; and it does not have the capacity to intervene in the Middle East to prevent the flow of refugees. It attempts to achieve federal aims with confederal instruments, and that cannot be done.

System

mayonnaise wrote: »

I apologise unreservedly for using the words 'go', 'whistle' and 'charade'.
I never imagined these words could inflict such trauma on our resident brexiteers.

Don't quote me you monster.

wunferall

mayonnaise wrote: »

I apologise unreservedly for using the words 'go', 'whistle' and 'charade'.
I never imagined these words could inflict such trauma on our resident brexiteers.

I have looked for your "trauma" felt by "our resident Brexiteers".
All I have seen is the remaining flies succumbing to the spider's web.

Filo25

posh*spice wrote: »

FYI 2/3 of NI trade is done with the UK and 1/3 with RoI. It is not in NI interest to be excluded from the rest of the UK.

I agree it isn't in its interest to be excluded from either UK or RoI.

I really will agree that this will need a very imaginative solution to make it work given the economic and political challenges which NI has faced and to a certain extent still faces.

I'm just not sure how much wiggle room the government has on this one with its dependence on DUP votes.

Rinoa

Barnier's just gone shouty crackers.

https://order-order.com/2017/11/29/barnier-uk-turned-back-fighting-isis/#disqus_thread

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

Barnier's just gone shouty crackers.

https://order-order.com/2017/11/29/barnier-uk-turned-back-fighting-isis/#disqus_thread

Can you copy and paste please?
I'd rather not generate click revenue for that serial drunk driver, (Paul Staines) and his tax-dodging 'news' outlet.

System

Here's the full version with context for everyone to read.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-europol-michel-barnier-speech-kicked-out-european-police-cooperation-eu-benefits-amber-rudd-a8082081.html

I'm fairly certain this is all good news too. I'll feel a lot safer having taken back control.

mrginge

Filo25 wrote: »

Special status wouldn't involve the political breakup of the UK.

Lol. Try telling that to the snp.

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

I'm just not sure how much wiggle room the government has on this one with its dependence on DUP votes.

Not just a question of votes. The scars of the past still have not yet fully healed. Plenty of peace walls still exist. Unlike the Berlin Wall. Demolishing these will have very different consequences. Once shouldn't underestimate the hatred that still exists just beneath the surface.

cogito

wunferall wrote: »

I was going to post this a few days ago but here it is now, a report in The New Statesman about fractures within the EU. It's quite a lengthy read but very clear and concise.

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2017/11/europe-s-hidden-fractures

Interesting point in there that the EU are so concerned about rights of its citizens in the UK whilst turning a blind eye to the incarceration of politicians in Spain contrary to human rights law and actively support it by means of the EAW.