Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Conrad

Oh look, more doom;


UK food exports see record growth in first half of 2017

http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/uk-food-exports-see-record-growth-in-first-half-of-2017.htm

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

That's what our elected representatives are for - we give them a vague idea and they try to figure out a safe way to do it, or not do it.

A narrow margin, non-binding referendum shouldn't override common sense in parliament. If it does; why do we even have a parliament?

What a bizarre concept.

We don’t give our elected representatives a vague idea at all.
They tell us what they are going to do and we then decide whether to elect them.

And so far two general elections and a referendum have brought us to this point. Common sense may suggest that where we are is exactly where the electorate want us to be.

Conrad

Remainers seem to think Government policy should be shaped by polls.


Ok then, mass immigration stops tomorrow - polls show over and again the vast majority are against it. Hanging could be a goer.


How far do you want to take this Govt by polls?


What did the polls tell us about Trump? That he had a 20% ceiling and the demographics meant we'd never have a President Trump.




Current Brexit polls are meaningless.
In the even of a further public vote, the public would be made aware of the EU's federalism journey, increased club fees, new impoverished joiners etc.


Furthermore the Govt would be batting for Brexit.


It would be a landslide Brexit victory.


80% of the public did not back pro- Remain parties at the GE.
85% of MP's voted to trigger A 50.

Arklight

Parliament will not accept a no deal Brexit and will veto withdrawal if this happens.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-no-deal-brexit-veto-ken-clarke-brussels-trip-leave-eu-conservatives-amendment-john-a8002506.html

It appears it has finally sunk in for Theresa May that she actually has to do Brexit not just utter soundbites for Express readers, until we crash out on WTO terms.

She's rushed off to Brussels. Next up, sack Johnson and Davis and get some adults in the room.

Mr Clarke – who insisted he was not trying to reverse Brexit, if there was a workable plan – said “only a handful of hard right-wing Eurosceptics think no deal is desirable”.

In fact, it would have a “catastrophic effect” on the British economy, he said, describing it as “complete fantasy, la-la land, going down the hole with the white rabbit”.

Yesterday, John McDonnell, Labour’s Shadow Chancellor, said there were “enough sensible people in the House of Commons” to prevent the growing risk of a no deal exit.

Arklight

Conrad wrote: »

Remainers seem to think Government policy should be shaped by polls.


Ok then, mass immigration stops tomorrow - polls show over and again the vast majority are against it. Hanging could be a goer.


How far do you want to take this Govt by polls?


What did the polls tell us about Trump? That he had a 20% ceiling and the demographics meant we'd never have a President Trump.




Current Brexit polls are meaningless.
In the even of a further public vote, the public would be made aware of the EU's federalism journey, increased club fees, new impoverished joiners etc.


Furthermore the Govt would be batting for Brexit.


It would be a landslide Brexit victory.


80% of the public did not back pro- Remain parties at the GE.
85% of MP's voted to trigger A 50.

Thanks Conrad, this gave me a laugh.

I hope no snowflakes are offended, have you considered trigger warnings?

Herzlos

Crashy_Time wrote: »

You can`t ignore the gut instincts of that many voters

You're happy to ignore that many voters from the remain side.

You really need to take researched information over gut feeling though.

Arklight

Crashy_Time wrote: »

You can`t ignore the gut instincts of that many voters, politicians know this, they will make a deal of some sort or lose their seats. I heard a phone in yesterday about the spiralling numbers sleeping rough in Glasgow and other Scottish cities and towns, the overwhelming view from many callers was that "refugees" get far too much, and that we need to look after our "own" first. Of course the retort to this is that it is white Glaswegian/Scottish lying in the doorways because they are the one`s most abusing themselves with drink or drugs, but the notion among the public that people coming into the country from certain places "get everything handed to them" is a dangerous meme if you are a politician. Free movement was a massive political mistake IMO.

There are people sleeping rough in doorways because we’ve had seven years of a Tory government. If people don’t want to see rough sleepers, homelessness, unemployment and poverty then they should stop voting Tory.

How many times has the Right played out this scenario - asset strip the nation and then blame foreigners.

Arklight

mrginge wrote: »

What a bizarre concept.

We don’t give our elected representatives a vague idea at all.
They tell us what they are going to do and we then decide whether to elect them.

And so far two general elections and a referendum have brought us to this point. Common sense may suggest that where we are is exactly where the electorate want us to be.

Which is fine as long as you remember that the last Tory manifesto clearly and unambiguously stated that a Conservative government would protect Britain's place in the single market and not a single voter could have expected to be voting to leave this.

There is a party with a clear intent to trash our relationship with Europe, and who would have a mandate for Brexit, UKIP, they of the one MP. Mind you UKIP couldn’t really have more than one MP considering they physically start beating each other up as soon as they form a group.

Private_Church

Herzlos wrote: »

That's what our elected representatives are for - we give them a vague idea and they try to figure out a safe way to do it, or not do it.



A narrow margin, non-binding referendum shouldn't override common sense in parliament. If it does; why do we even have a parliament?

Oh dear are we really going over all of this again. The politicians (the ones we vote in to make decisions on our behalf) Have wrestled with the issue of decades until they voted 6-1 to delegate the decision back to the public. The public voted leave . Now ,because remoaners don’t like it they have a childish hissy fit and try and try to ignore democracy . The politicians were very clear when they said they would abide by the result of the referendum so claiming it wasn’t binding is very childish...

You are free to write to your MP , take part in a protest march , tie yourself to the railings of Parliament buck naked but what you cannot do is ride roughshod over democracy.

We all know it won’t be easy in the short term but for people to claim it will ruin the country is laughable. Are these same people doing the lottery and winning week in week out?. They clearly don’t have a crystal ball and not one of them on here predicted the 2008 crash .

Rinoa

Arklight wrote: »

There are people sleeping rough in doorways because we’ve had seven years of a Tory government. If people don’t want to see rough sleepers, homelessness, unemployment and poverty then they should stop voting Tory.

How many times has the Right played out this scenario - asset strip the nation and then blame foreigners.

According to a report by Crisis there were 3472 rough sleepers in London alone.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/7147989/Homeless-people-Government-accused-of-misleading-figures.html

That was in 2009.