Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

vivatifosi wrote: »

It's 1hr 49 minutes from Dublin to Holyhead. Compared to 19 hours Dublin to Cherbourg. If the same ferry was repositioned to handle the longer route, it would be able to handle significantly less freight. So you would need more ferries. Then you would need more truck drivers, because they would be inefficiently stuck on a ferry. Or to containerise the freight instead and use different logistical solutions, which means you need a different type of handling at your port. None of this is straightforward, all adds to time and cost to the Irish consumer.

This will be high on the Irish agenda but low on the British, as thrug points out. Fewer Irish trucks and trucks bound for Ireland would be seen more positively in most parts of the UK.

That's fine if your destination is mainland UK. How long does it take to get to the continent via holyhead and (I presume) Dover?

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

That's fine if your destination is mainland UK. How long does it take to get to the continent via holyhead and (I presume) Dover?

Zeebrugge - Currently 10.5 hours

By ferry direct - 38.5 hours

System

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Zeebrugge - Currently 10.5 hours

By ferry direct - 38.5 hours

Have to be careful not to compare apples with oranges here. Your timings are out on the truck journey. There's no way a haulier will be running a scenario where a driver leaves Dublin port and arrives in Europe 10.5 hours later - no chance. But, when it comes to efficiency don't forget that driver wants paying for the return journey too.

cogito

Barnier is at it again. Telling us that we mustn't cut red tape or EU regulations if we want a trade deal. In other words, they want to continue to control us even after we leave.

And he keeps accusing the UK of being unrealistic. I'm more than a bit tired of hearing day after day some clown in the EU trying to tell us what we must do. Time to walk away.

setmefree2

cogito wrote: »

Barnier is at it again. Telling us that we mustn't cut red tape or EU regulations if we want a trade deal. In other words, they want to continue to control us even after we leave.

And he keeps accusing the UK of being unrealistic. I'm more than a bit tired of hearing day after day some clown in the EU trying to tell us what we must do. Time to walk away.

If we don't get a FTA, EU don't get no money.......simples.

But on a positive note he did use the words "ambitious trade deal"

http://www.euronews.com/2017/11/20/barnier-eu-ready-to-offer-uk-ambitious-post-brexit-trade-deal

Filo25

cogito wrote: »

Barnier is at it again. Telling us that we mustn't cut red tape or EU regulations if we want a trade deal. In other words, they want to continue to control us even after we leave.

And he keeps accusing the UK of being unrealistic. I'm more than a bit tired of hearing day after day some clown in the EU trying to tell us what we must do. Time to walk away.

That is pretty much common sense though, if you don't meet EU regulations for certain segments then why would you be able to export to the EU for those segments of the market

In case you hadn't noticed the US was allegedly asking for much the same in order to move forward with a trade deal with them (they wanted greater regulatory equivalence to open up the UK market to US exporters)

If the UK moves in line with US agriculture regulation, for instance allowing growth hormones in meat, then I don't see how that wouldn't have implications for trade in meat with the EU.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

Barnier is at it again. Telling us that we mustn't cut red tape or EU regulations if we want a trade deal. In other words, they want to continue to control us even after we leave.

And he keeps accusing the UK of being unrealistic. I'm more than a bit tired of hearing day after day some clown in the EU trying to tell us what we must do. Time to walk away.

Yeah, you were warned about that since long before the referendum. If we want to sell anything to the EU we need to follow eu rules to the letter. We used to have a say in those rules but apparently we didn't want that.
The eu can sell us stuff whatever rules we follow (as long as eu stuff meets out dropping standards).

That's the whole "giving away our place at the table" argument and to be surprised by this now indicates you've either not been paying attention or you never thought about how trade would work.

Why the blank would the eu be happy accepting lower quality stuff from us if they don't accept it from anyone else?

System

Herzlos wrote: »

Why the blank would the eu be happy accepting lower quality stuff from us if they don't accept it from anyone else?

COS OUT MEANS OUT! SOVRINTEEE!

Or something equally incoherent.

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

Trade deals rely on agreed standards so you can't enter into a trade deal if one party is going to unilaterally change those standards. Can't quite see why he needs to mention this - it's bleeding obvious.
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It sounds like he is talking about more than standards applying to the good you are trading.

gfplux

Live blog here on the voting for the EMA and EBA
https://www.politico.eu/article/live-blog-eu-agencies-leaving-london-after-brexit/

The three cities that will move to the second round of voting for the EMA are Milan, Amsterdam, and Copenhagen.

Milan scored 25 points and the other two scored 20 points each during a vote at the General Affairs Council, several people with knowledge of the vote said.