Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Rough_Justice

Merkel says she'd prefer another election. The likelihood is that the AFD will increase their seats in this event apparently. That would well & truly put the cat amongst the EU pigeons.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42057108

Rough_Justice

Private_Church wrote: »

That's rich considering how poor animal welfare standards are on much the continent of Europe compared to the UK. Ever heard of Fois gras or veal production?. I'm just guessing but having a pipe forced down your throat and having your stomach filled with corn 2-3 times a day must hurt like hell .

Faux compassion counts for nothing.


As for "Thank you Brexsitters" remark well it begs the question what is it you actually do for a living in Luxembourg?, dustman,window cleaner because you certainly don't act in a professional way.

:T
This faux compassion is so two-faced as to be laughable isn't it?
As well as your examples, there's also how the EU transport live animals - here's just one example from many.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/01/revealed-exported-eu-animals-subject-to-abuse-illegal-conditions


Here's a list of the ten countries that are most cruel to animals. See how many are in the EU.
http://randomstory.org/10-countries-that-are-most-cruel-to-animals/

Just for balance, the top four best places for animals - and according to onegreenplanet Germany ranks #3 with UK #4.
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/the-best-places-for-animals/

Herzlos

Eu standards for animal welfare are pretty dire in places, no denying that.
But it's only the uk trying to downgrade them to be non sentient. The only reason you'd go to that effort is to do something later like adopting American standards for chicken farming or justifying fox hunting.

Private_Church wrote: »

The recently adopted EU regulations on Deactivated weapons........

It reads like an increase in standards to me. Maybe not a significant increase but a lot harder to reactivate now.

Herzlos

Rough_Justice wrote: »

Are you just going to ignore the other 36 billion Euros then? And I love how you already know the "cost of Brexit" when nobody else possibly can.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-eib/britains-eu-bank-capital-could-be-locked-up-for-decades-after-brexit-official-idUKKBN1CT1K7?il=0

My bad, I was skimming the article.

I don't know the cost of Brexit but I know it'll be at least 2 orders of magnitude more than 3bn. We're looking at 20x that in severance payments and a worst case of about 50x that in annual economic damage.

Heck I wouldn't be surprised if the admin bill is over 3 billion quid.

Arklight

Rough_Justice wrote: »

:T
This faux compassion is so two-faced as to be laughable isn't it?
As well as your examples, there's also how the EU transport live animals - here's just one example from many.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/01/revealed-exported-eu-animals-subject-to-abuse-illegal-conditions


Here's a list of the ten countries that are most cruel to animals. See how many are in the EU.
http://randomstory.org/10-countries-that-are-most-cruel-to-animals/

Just for balance, the top four best places for animals - and according to onegreenplanet Germany ranks #3 with UK #4.
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/the-best-places-for-animals/

The welfare standards of factory farmed meat in the UK are abysmal. The fact they are less shocking than other countries is nothing to celebrate, though in the topsy turvy race to the bottom world of Brexitland I can see you think it might be.

What will happen is as part of the trade deal we are begging America for, we will have to import their meat. Even if you don't care that production is so lax that animals are butchered in their own excrement and their meat doused in bleach to neutralise the fecal matter that consumers eat. Even if you don't care that the meat is saturated with artificial growth hormones and antibiotics that you also eat, and most people here seem not to, the welfare conditions of these creatures is something else.

http://www.rollingstone.com/feature/belly-beast-meat-factory-farms-animal-activists

It’s backbreaking labor, nine-hour days in stifling barns in Wyoming, and no training could prepare her for the sensory assault of 10,000 pigs in close quarters: the stench of their !!!!, piled three feet high in the slanted trenches below; the blood on sows’ snouts cut by cages so tight they can’t turn around or lie sideways; the racking cries of broken-legged pigs, hauled into alleys by dead-eyed workers and left there to die of exposure. It’s the worst job she or anyone else has had...

Private_Church

Herzlos wrote: »

It reads like an increase in standards to me. Maybe not a significant increase but a lot harder to reactivate now.

The UK deactivation standard has worked well for years. The standard included grinding down the firing pin/bolt assembly at 45 degrees.Drill a hole in the barrel ,block and weld the said block in barrel. Then the weapon is sent to the London or Birmingham proof house where it is certificated.

The EU could have taken on the UK standard which by the way means a weapon cannot be reactivated so what now has to happen to every UK deact firearm (if its to be sold on) now needs to have pretty much all the internal mechanism removed or welded up which means it cannot be cocked or dry fired or field stripped which many thousands of historical re-enactors have done successfully for decades under the UK system and not one certified deact weapon has been reactivated.This will cost approx £100 per weapon and then it must be sent back to the London or Birmingham proof office and re certified at an additional cost to the owner in the region of £120 so all in its an extra £220 per weapon and then it can be sold on by the owner.


The reason the EU has changed the law is because Eastern European companies deactivated their weapons by sticking a bung up the barrel and call it deactivated which they clearly weren't. These were then sold across the rest of the EU and the naughty boys re-activated Skorpion machine pistols. So what does the EU do, it decides to f***off thousands of historical re-enactors for no reason and then wonder why people hate the EU.

So to sum up the EU could have adopted the UK spec but chose to ignore a perfectly good system and take on their own system which literally ruins historical weapons.

There is no such thing as "making it harder to reactivate" by definition its either deactivated or not when its deactivated under the UK certification a weapon cannot be reactivated end of.

Typical example of EU poking its nose in where its not wanted and using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. What they should have done was adopt the UK system and get the Eastern Europeans to get their houses in order..

cogito

Private_Church wrote: »

The UK deactivation standard has worked well for years. The standard included grinding down the firing pin/bolt assembly at 45 degrees.Drill a hole in the barrel ,block and weld the said block in barrel. Then the weapon is sent to the London or Birmingham proof house where it is certificated.

The EU could have taken on the UK standard which by the way means a weapon cannot be reactivated so what now has to happen to every UK deact firearm (if its to be sold on) now needs to have pretty much all the internal mechanism removed or welded up which means it cannot be cocked or dry fired or field stripped which many thousands of historical re-enactors have done successfully for decades under the UK system and not one certified deact weapon has been reactivated.This will cost approx £100 per weapon and then it must be sent back to the London or Birmingham proof office and re certified at an additional cost to the owner in the region of £120 so all in its an extra £220 per weapon and then it can be sold on by the owner.


The reason the EU has changed the law is because Eastern European companies deactivated their weapons by sticking a bung up the barrel and call it deactivated which they clearly weren't. These were then sold across the rest of the EU and the naughty boys re-activated Skorpion machine pistols. So what does the EU do, it decides to f***off thousands of historical re-enactors for no reason and then wonder why people hate the EU.

So to sum up the EU could have adopted the UK spec but chose to ignore a perfectly good system and take on their own system which literally ruins historical weapons.

There is no such thing as "making it harder to reactivate" by definition its either deactivated or not when its deactivated under the UK certification a weapon cannot be reactivated end of.

Typical example of EU poking its nose in where its not wanted and using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. What they should have done was adopt the UK system and get the Eastern Europeans to get their houses in order..

Game, set and match.

gfplux

Paris is the new destination for the EBA.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

Paris is the new destination for the EBA.

Nothing for Eastern Europe........ Quelle surprise !

At least the employees can live in London and commute.

Gorgeous_George

If Brexit is so bad then the government are duty bound to avoid it at all costs. Just call me Dave decided an in/out vote was a price worth paying for the Conservatives to hold on to power.

i think that the EU is doomed. Any money paid by the UK to leave may sustain the bureaucrats for a little while longer but in the end failure is inevitable. Whether we remain or not.

GG