Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Filo25

tracey3596 wrote: »

As you yourself said . It is most interesting watching the desperate deviation in your posts to avoid the point at issue.

The point (which you repeatedly seem to ignore) is that the UK promised no hard border. The EU are the ones saying there must be. Which is strange when no hard border works elsewhere for EU countries - Norway/Sweden being one example. Or Finland/Norway. Or how about Switzerland to Austria, Italy etc. ?

So this time will you address the real issue which (again) is why the EU are the ones insisting upon a hard border?

I already did, but just to go over old ground, this government has decided that it doesn't want freedom of movement, which you seem to agree was what the referendum meant.

Both Norway and Switzerland allow freedom of movement and are also members of the Schengen accord, therefore not applicable to the UK with its current stance.

Although I suppose its encouraging to hear a Brexit supporter hailing the benefits of freedom of movement these days!

Thrugelmir

cogito wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how the EU exploit the situation at their summit on the 18th December.

Nothing to exploit. Germany's influence remains powerful. Without Merkel having a clear mandate, Macron wil have difficulty pushing ahead with his reform agenda. May well result in more open disagreement on a number of topics.

posh*spice

cogito wrote: »

Not specifically Brexit related but not irrelevant either. In Germany, Merkel has failed to form a government despite the constitutional requirement that one must be formed within 30 days of an election or there has to be a rerun. AfD are screaming about why SPD, the official opposition are not doing anything about it. The president Steinmeier who is no friend of Merky is having an in camera meeting on Monday to try to move things forward.

It seems that Merky is on the ropes and unless she forms a coalition with SPD (which SPD are ruling out) she will either have to try to form a minority government or call another election as the Jamaica coalition seems dead in the water.

It will be interesting to see how the EU exploit the situation at their summit on the 18th December.

Despite Merky's teflon reputation, I suspect she's toast. And May has problems?

Thanks for that post . I've just watched an hour of news and never heard any of that .....and yet Ive googled and I see it's true.

I have all news channels France24, Euronews, etc never heard any of this - except this is big news- nuts.

Thanks for sharing.

posh*spice

David Davis show your best poker face.....Merkel could be down and out

cogito

posh*spice wrote: »

Thanks for that post . I've just watched an hour of news and never heard any of that .....and yet Ive googled and I see it's true.

I have all news channels France24, Euronews, etc never heard any of this - except this is big news- nuts.

Thanks for sharing.

The other thing preventing SPD forming a coalition with Merkel is that it would mean that AfD would become the official opposition giving them access to various committees and a status that the other parties refuse to accept.

I bet it also hasn't been on the news that the German Interior Ministry has issued a regulation suspending Schengen for flights entering Germany from Greece. This is because they are worried about terrorists entering with fake IDs, something that didn't seem to bother them at all when Merkel invited a million 'refugees' in, many with no IS fake or otherwise.

I bet it also hasn't been on the news that the EU's draft budget for 2018 includes another €2bn extra spending. The UK's share of this is about 12.5% but the UK abstained on the vote. Much of the increase relates to the cost of resettling migrants which the Germans insisted should be borne in full by the EU instead of individual nations.

We invite 'em in, someone else pays.

gfplux

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yep.
Just you.

Of course, the Irish are in a bit of a peculiar geographical situation, with their EU trade having to pass through little england, but it looks like solutions are being found.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/business-news/giant-boat-fuels-fears-holyhead-13812310

The UK, pretty soon a country to be by-passed.

I feel this is one of the ways that will save Irelands economy.
I had understood that shipping of perishables (I love Irish cheddar) to EU27 was much quicker by Refrigerated trucks via England in comparison to direct ferry.
Does anyone know the time frames involved. Is it more to do with price and capacity.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

80% of online purchases made in Eire are dispatched from the UK.

A ferry to Europe does little for UK their bound agricultural exports.

Over simplification of a complex issue with sweeping generalisations is so so easy.

I had not given that any thought. 80% of online purchases. I am thinking that's Amazon, Atos and others.
Could those purchases be shipped from Amazon France and/or Atos Germany.
Will Brexit damage online volumes from the UK to Ireland?

Do you have a link to any of the figures. Thank you.

gfplux

tracey3596 wrote: »

You're just blustering. Why not, using tech as suggested? And do you not realise that there is a sea between NI and rUK? Are borders at ports not an option in your eyes then?
The UK have made proposals which, just like the settlement (cash) are being pooh-poohed by eurocrats without firm proposals in response. Which means that it is the EU that are pushing for a "hard border", not the UK.

Just like the sea border between Calais and Dover.
I assume you know that illegal immigrants leach through that border. Unknown numbers every day despite random scanning one in a thousand trucks. Is that the technology you refer to?

gfplux

tracey3596 wrote: »

As you yourself said . It is most interesting watching the desperate deviation in your posts to avoid the point at issue.

The point (which you repeatedly seem to ignore) is that the UK promised no hard border. The EU are the ones saying there must be. Which is strange when no hard border works elsewhere for EU countries - Norway/Sweden being one example. Or Finland/Norway. Or how about Switzerland to Austria, Italy etc. ?

So this time will you address the real issue which (again) is why the EU are the ones insisting upon a hard border?

Sorry Tracey,
I thought Brexit was about taking control of Britains borders.
To control your borders you have to CONTROL THE BORDERS.
If you have a border between Britain and the EU27 You have to control the border.
If you have a border between Northern Ireland (Britain) and Ireland (one of the EU27) Britain has to control that border.
This also applies to Gibraltar and Spain.

You say the UK promised no hard borders. If that promise was ever made you should provide a link. Perhaps it was one of those promises like £350 million for the NHS.

vivatifosi

gfplux wrote: »

I feel this is one of the ways that will save Irelands economy.
I had understood that shipping of perishables (I love Irish cheddar) to EU27 was much quicker by Refrigerated trucks via England in comparison to direct ferry.
Does anyone know the time frames involved. Is it more to do with price and capacity.

If you Google "implications of brexit for Ireland's transport sectors", this should link you to a pdf that was published last month. It highlights the following problems with not using the "UK land bridge":

1. It takes between two and four times as long to transport goods.
2. There isn't the capacity to increase the flow.

This article is useful too, not as detailed, but illustrates the doubling of time point well:
https://www.politico.eu/article/cargo-food-production-producers-brexit-burns-irelands-british-bridge-to-eu-markets/