Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

Oh right. Every other post you make is whinging about other people whinging (you won't see the irony) and you've even made up a lovely story about how I used to whinge about the Y2K bug, had a rubbish Christmas dinner in 1999 and have been perfecting the art of whinging ever since.

Yes, it's me with the issues alright. You're definitely not projecting. [moves towards the exit avoiding any sudden movements]

I just like having a good old laugh at the pathetic levels of desperation just because certain posters aren’t living in their own perfect world.
That old poster we had called wotsthat. He was really funny. Do you remember him?
He used to make out like he knew everything and everyone else was a thick retard. Hilarious. I really liked it when he spoilt his ballot paper just so he could claim moral superiority with all the other fence sitters. I bet he was secretly fist pumping in the booth.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

The order and stages of negotiations and the check-points need to pass. They had a choice.

If they'd been at all prepared they might have done something other than capitulate. But this was done months ago, why are we still arguing over it?

I said exactly the reason I asked is I've google it and can't find out, have you got a link.

Judging by what's happen since if we hadn't agreed we would still be talking about that.

gfplux

No one has posted the inflation figures for October so I thought I would be helpful.
1. Main points
The Consumer Prices Index including owner occupiers’ housing costs (CPIH) 12-month inflation rate was 2.8% in October 2017, unchanged from September 2017.
The inflation rate for food and non-alcoholic beverages continued to increase to 4.1%, the highest since September 2013.
Rising prices for food and, to a lesser extent, recreational goods provided the largest upward contributions to change in the rate between September 2017 and October 2017.
The upward contributions were offset by falling motor fuel and furniture prices, along with owner occupiers’ housing costs, which remained unchanged between September 2017 and October 2017, having risen a year ago.
The Consumer Prices Index (CPI) 12-month rate was 3.0% in October 2017, unchanged from September 2017.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/bulletins/consumerpriceinflation/october2017

3% inflation all caused by ??????

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

I see from recent posts that many do not think that there are many, many other things that have to be agreed apart from thrashing out a trade deal between Britain and the EU27. (Average time 3 to 7 years)
Too many people have been taken in by the leave campaign who never mentioned the difficulties in leaving that would damage Britain and the EU27 while it happened.

Sometimes one simply needs to be pragmatic. Not all negotiations end in total agreement. The UK is a sizable market that other countries would no doubt welcome the opportunity to do business with. Being an island makes it far easier for the UK to seperate itself.

tracey3596

Herzlos wrote: »

The only way I can see food getting cheaper is if we start importing lower quality food (like the US chloninated chicken).

:rotfl:
This from one who calls leave supporters "

Herzlos wrote: »

.... backwards thinking and more of the same.

In the continuation of that just a few posts ago you go on to say

Herzlos wrote: »

There's a lot of self belief but it doesn't seem to be tied to anything meaningful. Confidence but no ability sums it up well.

That seems to sum up your own post pretty well since there is zero evidence supporting your claim that food imported from elsewhere will be of a lower standard than the EU requires. CAP doesn't help either does it; who remembers their wine lakes and butter mountains - and now they suffer shortages of both. Or should we talk about (for example) the EU's poor record in the transportation of livestock?

As for your oft-debunked "chlorinated chicken" myth?
Lots was written which (strangely) you completely disregard, not least that much of our ready-to-eat salad produce is also washed in a chlorine rinse. I suppose you never, ever eat that though.
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56eddde762cd9413e151ac92/t/59747741bf629a8e3d01a494/1500804930480/Chlorinated+Chicken.pdf

I'm sure North African countries especially would prefer to grow to our standards and export their produce. Spain won't mind the loss and I'm sure that labour costs in North Africa are more than in Spain too. :whistle:

tracey3596

gfplux wrote: »

3% inflation all caused by ??????

You read the report. I guess you didn't much like it?
But since you insist, try this.
"British inflation unexpectedly held steady in October, wrong-footing the Bank of England"

When the Bank raised rates for the first time in a decade in early November, it said it expected inflation would hit 3.2 percent in October before starting to fall slowly towards its 2 percent target.
“Red faces all round as UK inflation fails to rise as widely expected, not least by the Bank of England,” said Chris Williamson, chief business economist at financial data company IHS Markit.

But other data showed that underlying price pressures are easing. Costs of manufacturers’ raw materials rose at their slowest pace since July 2016, a month after the Brexit vote.

Moby

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-polls-mistake-stop-talks-eu-deadlock-antonio-tajani-european-parliament-president-a8053546.html
He's so right.
Even the people of Grimsby realise how wrong they were:-
http://www.anyvoice.co.uk/politics/gobsmacking-hypocrisy-brexit-stronghold-town-seeks-exemption-brexit/

phillw

The Japanese car manufacturers are getting restless again, time for more lies from Theresa May.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/14/honda-uk-warns-mps-of-consequences-of-leaving-eu-customs-union

Moby wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-polls-mistake-stop-talks-eu-deadlock-antonio-tajani-european-parliament-president-a8053546.html
He's so right.

I think it's wishful thinking to suggest the majority of people think brexit is a mistake yet. But it's wishful thinking by some leavers to think the majority won't regret leaving. I'm sure the leavers even know it themselves.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

The Japanese car manufacturers are getting restless again, time for more lies from Theresa May.

One manufacturer, Honda, whose market share is in decline............

The Swindon plant has been running at below capacity for years. Honda is struggling in Europe.

vivatifosi

gfplux wrote: »

No one has posted the inflation figures for October so I thought I would be helpful.
1. Main points
The Consumer Prices Index including owner occupiers’ housing costs (CPIH) 12-month inflation rate was 2.8% in October 2017, unchanged from September 2017.
The inflation rate for food and non-alcoholic beverages continued to increase to 4.1%, the highest since September 2013.
Rising prices for food and, to a lesser extent, recreational goods provided the largest upward contributions to change in the rate between September 2017 and October 2017.
The upward contributions were offset by falling motor fuel and furniture prices, along with owner occupiers’ housing costs, which remained unchanged between September 2017 and October 2017, having risen a year ago.
The Consumer Prices Index (CPI) 12-month rate was 3.0% in October 2017, unchanged from September 2017.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/bulletins/consumerpriceinflation/october2017

3% inflation all caused by ??????

3% inflation, largely caused by the fall in the pound. There was a good piece on this on the 6pm R4 news tonight, saying that this has now largely made its way through the system. Therefore inflation is no longer the same threat that it was a few months back.