Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

Most people on this thread are pretty entrenched in their views. It's irrelevant. I'm sure some people are pretty sanguine and find the whole thing a bit dull but they're hardly going to be seeking out this conversation.

...adding 'and I say this as a remain voter' every now and again doesn't add any validity to your own views either by the way.

I think it does I wish the referendum went the other way and was very disappointed when the result come out, but I don't turn a blind eye to the faults the EU have.

gfplux

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

Both sides agreed? When did the UK agree that trade could not be discussed until those three issues had been substantially settled?

Britain agreed to this sequence of talks on the first day of the negotiations in June. This is a very simple fact published around the world. There is absolutely no dispute about this.

ukcarper

gfplux wrote: »

Britain agreed to this sequence of talks on the first day of the negotiations in June. This is a very simple fact published around the world. There is absolutely no dispute about this.

What exactly to they agree to and did they have a choice.

Herzlos

mrginge wrote: »

Classic remoaner.

No sense of forward thinking. No entrepreneurship. No self-belief.

Where's all the forward thinking and entrepreneurship coming out of Brexit? All I see is backwards thinking and more of the same.

There's a lot of self belief but it doesn't seem to be tied to anything meaningful. Confidence but no ability sums it up well.

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

https://www.out-law.com/en/articles/2017/november/eu-and-ireland-launch-working-group-to-address-brexit-challenges/

To be a fly on the wall.
My own crazy ideas are.
1) Unification
Or
2) An air Bridge (like Berlin) subsidised by the EU between Dublin and the EU27.
And
3) A huge increase and speed of ferrys between Dublin and the EU27.

Yes crazy but we live in crazy times.

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

What exactly to they agree to and did they have a choice.

The order and stages of negotiations and the check-points need to pass. They had a choice.

If they'd been at all prepared they might have done something other than capitulate. But this was done months ago, why are we still arguing over it?

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

Britain agreed to this sequence of talks on the first day of the negotiations in June. This is a very simple fact published around the world. There is absolutely no dispute about this.

If the UK had of said no then. The talks wouldn't have even commenced. The unavoidable fact is that the UK is leaving. If there's no settlement. Then the UK won't pay a cent. There'll come a point when the EU won't retain a united front. There's plenty of mutterings already from over on your side of the channel. The UK knew it's position and no doubt wouldn't hesitate to carry it through.

Herzlos

ilovehouses wrote: »

Food getting cheaper doesn't seem like a likely option to me. I note that cheap food is starting to be a brexit outcome that is being stated as fact - it's nowhere near.

The only way I can see food getting cheaper is if we start importing lower quality food (like the US chloninated chicken).

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

If the UK had of said no then. The talks wouldn't have even commenced. The unavoidable fact is that the UK is leaving. If there's no settlement. Then the UK won't pay a cent. There'll come a point when the EU won't retain a united front. There's plenty of mutterings already from over on your side of the channel. The UK knew it's position and no doubt wouldn't hesitate to carry it through.

You might be right. However all I hear is a United front of the 27 wanting sufficient progress on the three key issues or trade and the other 1001 things that have to be agreed will not be talked about in 2017.

gfplux

I see from recent posts that many do not think that there are many, many other things that have to be agreed apart from thrashing out a trade deal between Britain and the EU27. (Average time 3 to 7 years)
Too many people have been taken in by the leave campaign who never mentioned the difficulties in leaving that would damage Britain and the EU27 while it happened.