Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Arklight

tracey3596 wrote: »

:rotfl:
This from one who calls leave supporters "
In the continuation of that just a few posts ago you go on to say
That seems to sum up your own post pretty well since there is zero evidence supporting your claim that food imported from elsewhere will be of a lower standard than the EU requires. CAP doesn't help either does it; who remembers their wine lakes and butter mountains - and now they suffer shortages of both. Or should we talk about (for example) the EU's poor record in the transportation of livestock?

As for your oft-debunked "chlorinated chicken" myth?
Lots was written which (strangely) you completely disregard, not least that much of our ready-to-eat salad produce is also washed in a chlorine rinse. I suppose you never, ever eat that though.
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56eddde762cd9413e151ac92/t/59747741bf629a8e3d01a494/1500804930480/Chlorinated+Chicken.pdf

I'm sure North African countries especially would prefer to grow to our standards and export their produce. Spain won't mind the loss and I'm sure that labour costs in North Africa are more than in Spain too. :whistle:

American meat has to be washed in chlorine because the standards to which the animals are killed are so low that the intestines are ruptured and the meat is covered in the animals own faeces.

It is so filthy cooking it alone will not make it safe to eat.

But do you know what Tracey. You go ahead. Full your boots. You can sit in your Brexit hole stuffing your face with meat covered in its own sh||t thinking just how very clever you are that you've inflicted American food standards on the UK.

Have a second helping on me.

Arklight

vivatifosi wrote: »

I don't think that's a fair comparison. Food prices have indeed gone up 4% in the past year, and that can fairly linked to the fall in the pound since the referendum.

But given that the referendum only happened last year, it can hardly be blamed for ten years of poor wage increases following the GFC.

What financial crash? No-one involved in Finance experienced a crash, or any hardship at all.

There was a vast and rapid transfer of assets from taxpayers into the pockets of the very rich. One percent of whom now own 50% of the world's assets.

So how does Brexit and voting endlessly for Tory governments fix that?

Eric_the_half_a_bee

ilovehouses wrote: »

With respect Tracey that logic would be to miss the point. The issue isn't really the chlorine - it's the approach to food safety.

Chicken meat is effectively sterile. The problems occur when the meat is contaminated with faecal bacteria during processing. The risk assessment in the EU is that this is best resolved by careful processing and not allowing the contents of a chickens bowels to be mixed with the meat.

And yet Campylobacter poisoning kills more than 100 people in the UK every year, so I'm not sure the EU's approach is a good one.

Rough_Justice

I wonder if today is Groundhog Day or just another trolling day because all this about chlorinated chicken is very old news and has been well and truly debunked even by Fullfact, besides which there is the teensy-weensy little fact that nobody can force you or anybody else to either buy or eat the stuff. But hey, if you need something to [STRIKE]propagandise[/STRIKE] worry about knock yourselves out.
I'm guessing that it is a bit of backlash because remainer attempts to derail or delay Brexit via the parliamentary debate of the EU Withdrawal Bill don't look like working. Gotta find something - ANYTHING - even if it's been done to death. Desperation rearing it's head IMHO.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/ignore-the-scare-stories-from-remainers-over-chlorinated-chicken/

System

Another one misses the point.

Masomnia

Rough_Justice wrote: »

I wonder if today is Groundhog Day or just another trolling day because all this about chlorinated chicken is very old news and has been well and truly debunked even by Fullfact, besides which there is the teensy-weensy little fact that nobody can force you or anybody else to either buy or eat the stuff. But hey, if you need something to [STRIKE]propagandise[/STRIKE] worry about knock yourselves out.
I'm guessing that it is a bit of backlash because remainer attempts to derail or delay Brexit via the parliamentary debate of the EU Withdrawal Bill don't look like working. Gotta find something - ANYTHING - even if it's been done to death. Desperation rearing it's head IMHO.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/ignore-the-scare-stories-from-remainers-over-chlorinated-chicken/

I thought they'd given up trying to argue that it was anything other than protectionism. Apparently not.

Arklight

American food standards are horrifying. They are as bad as they are because food production legislation in America is dictated by the amount of money food producers bribe the American government with, not with health, safety, taste, nutrition, or any of the other factors we commonly associate with food.

The EU keeps GMO out of Europe, and has paid substantial fines in doing so, precisely because it is big enough to stand up to American bullying. This is also why Airbus keeps making planes and employing people, rather than having been sued out of existence by trumped up free trade rules invented by the US to promote free trade when it suits the US.

Food standards are a European success story. When out of the EU we are faced with exporting our good meat to Europe, but having to buy faeces covered American meat, laced with antibiotics and growth hormones, to feed ourselves.

Don't even get me started to animal welfare in American meat production. It's sickening. This is what Brexiters want. Why?

Rough_Justice

Oh dear, another remainer scare story debunked!

The quarterly ONS labour market statistics show the number of UK nationals employed in Britain rose over the 12 months to September 2017 by 183,000 to 28.55 million. Over the same period, the number of other EU nationals employed rose by 112,000 to 2.38 million

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/15/number-european-union-workers-britain-rises

112,000 more EU nationals employed in the year up to September! Where are all the returnees that we keep being told are gone back then? In other words, all these stories of workers leaving in droves is just more remainer carp judging by official figures.

setmefree2

ECB Blasts Banks for `Empty Shell' Brexit Plans

https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/2017/11/15/ecb-blasts-banks-for-empty-shell-brexit-plans-risk-transfers

setmefree2

Theresa May doubles tech talent visas after Brexit to woo industry

Theresa May is seeking to reassure the UK’s flourishing tech industry amid ongoing concerns over the impact of Brexit on hiring top talent.
The Prime Minister and chancellor Philip Hammond will meet with top entrepreneurs and investors on Wednesday and is promising a flurry of measures to support startups across the country.

The home office will double the number of visas available for tech experts from outside the EU to come and work in the UK to 2,000. And the home secretary Amber Rudd will meet with the industry for input on making the visa process more efficient.

http://www.cityam.com/275751/theresa-may-doubles-tech-talent-visas-after-brexit-woo