Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

posh*spice

We are leaving the EU at 11 pm 29th March 2019 - deal or no deal.

It's going to be enshrined in law.

Moby

cogito wrote: »

There are 17 remainers and 7 leavers in the cabinet. It seems that it is in fact leavers who are under represented.

....but why have Johnson and Gove taken it upon themselves to formally write to her....seems very sinister to me. What right do they have to do that? They are clearly warning her about not giving concessions. In any event Johnstons seat is a marginal and so is Duncan Smiths hopefully we'll be rid of them soon.;)

Filo25

posh*spice wrote: »

We are leaving the EU at 11 pm 29th March 2019 - deal or no deal.

It's going to be enshrined in law.

We almost certainly are but the new proposed law means nothing, it can be overturned as easily as any other legislation is, unless of course the Fixed Term Parliament Act meant that we didn't really have an election earlier this year and I just imagined it.

This is just Theresa May posturing to keep the eurosceptics in the Tory party happy, come to think of it a fair bit of our negotiating so far appears to have been posturing to keep the Eurosceptics happy.

Filo25

Moby wrote: »

....but why have Johnson and Gove taken it upon themselves to formally write to her....seems very sinister to me. What right do they have to do that? They are clearly warning her about not giving concessions. In any event Johnstons seat is a marginal and so is Duncan Smiths hopefully we'll be rid of them soon.;)

Johnson will probably survive unless we see a much bigger swing than now, IDS is very vulnerable though, demographic changes in this seat aren't doing him any favours

Filo25

ukcarper wrote: »

It doesn't look that way to me and I voted remain.

There isn't always enough common ground to get a deal, we will have to see if there is as this progresses.

If I go into a car dealership and offer £10 for a Porsche 911 and eventually up my offer to £1k, I don't get to complain that the other party isn't dropping the price to meet in the middle somewhere, I don't get to haggle anytime I go to Tesco either!

I hope we do a deal and I hope its as favourable to the UK as it can be, but there isn't much point complaining that this is unfair when it is up to the EU how they choose to negotiate and what they find acceptable, in the same it is up to the UK government to do the same for us.

If we can't manage that we go out on a cliff edge which some of the Brexit supporting lobby seem to think is no big deal anyway (clearly I don't agree with them), so I'm not sure why they're getting so upset about the whole thing.

The cliff edge may hurt us more than the EU but it still hurts both parties so there is an incentive to both sides to try to make it work.

ukcarper

Filo25 wrote: »

There isn't always enough common ground to get a deal, we will have to see if there is as this progresses.

If I go into a car dealership and offer £10 for a Porsche 911 and eventually up my offer to £1k, I don't get to complain that the other party isn't dropping the price to meet in the middle somewhere, I don't get to haggle anytime I go to Tesco either!

I hope we do a deal and I hope its as favourable to the UK as it can be, but there isn't much point complaining that this is unfair when it is up to the EU how they choose to negotiate and what they find acceptable, in the same it is up to the UK government to do the same for us.

If we can't manage that we go out on a cliff edge which some of the Brexit supporting lobby seem to think is no big deal anyway (clearly I don't agree with them), so I'm not sure why they're getting so upset about the whole thing.

The cliff edge may hurt us more than the EU but it still hurts both parties so there is an incentive to both sides to try to make it work.

I'm not saying it's unfair just if they have no intention of budging we might as we'll just stop now.
Like you I hope there is a deal which is of benefit to both sides and still think there is a good chance that there will be, but in appears to me that some people on here are so entrenched in their view that it looks like they are hoping it does fail, I'm not sure saying I told you so if everything goes tits up will be that satisfying.

mrginge

ukcarper wrote: »

...but in appears to me that some people on here are so entrenched in their view that it looks like they are hoping it does fail

Name names please.

Backbiter

Another Remoaner talking down the UK economy.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2017/11/12/british-lawmaker-advises-investors-to-take-their-money-out-of-the-uk/#5319a77b4c1e

What chance do we have of making a success of Brexit when UK politicians tell investors to move their money out of the UK?

Just checking: John Redwood is a Remoaner, isn't he?

ukcarper

mrginge wrote: »

Name names please.

I think that is fairly obvious.

Filo25

ukcarper wrote: »

I'm not saying it's unfair just if they have no intention of budging we might as we'll just stop now.
Like you I hope there is a deal which is of benefit to both sides and still think there is a good chance that there will be, but in appears to me that some people on here are so entrenched in their view that it looks like they are hoping it does fail, I'm not sure saying I told you so if everything goes tits up will be that satisfying.

I think negotiations will continue as I suspect the UK is certainly willing to move further towards the EU position on the issues of citizen's rights and the financial settlement, if we make significant progress on those 2 I would think talks may be able to progress although that will need some flexibility from the EU over the Irish border, there really isn't an easy satisfactory answer to that particular issue