Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

Why would a union demand a rise from it's employees?

You obviously have no experience of union "talks" with employers.

I obviously meant employers.

I have no experience of being in the actual negotiationbut when I was in a union they always settled for less than original claim.

Moby

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

Two leading members of the Leave campaign which attracted 17.4m votes press May to implement those votes .... not shocking

By doing so they are putting May on notice that unless she follows their line there will be trouble. What happened to cabinet Government?

cogito

Moby wrote: »

By doing so they are putting May on notice that unless she follows their line there will be trouble. What happened to cabinet Government?

It died when Blair, Mandelson and Campbell ran the government from an office in No 10.

Rinoa

phillw wrote: »

The worse possible outcome for Ireland would be border control. There are enough people left in Ireland who will seek military action against that.

If Northern Ireland isn't in the customs union, then they have to have border control.

If the EU and Ireland don't want border controls, simply give us a generous trade deal. No controls needed. See how easy it is.

Balls in EU court.

pertgave

The main problem with Brexit and the negotiation is the Brexiteers overestimating the UK's importance.

Moby

cogito wrote: »

It died when Blair, Mandelson and Campbell ran the government from an office in No 10.

That's going back a bit.....besides at least Blair was PM. It seems May is being controlled by hardline Brexiteers around her? How is that representing the views of remainers?

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

I obviously meant employers.

I have no experience of being in the actual negotiationbut when I was in a union they always settled for less than original claim.

I would hope so. If you get your first offer, then how would they know if they could have gotten more.

The EU are behaving in the same way, the UK government is running the play book of the stereotypical bad employer. The attitude not only reveals the contempt they have for the EU, but it's also a really bad strategy.

cogito

Moby wrote: »

That's going back a bit.....besides at least Blair was PM. It seems May is being controlled by hardline Brexiteers around her? How is that representing the views of remainers?

There are 17 remainers and 7 leavers in the cabinet. It seems that it is in fact leavers who are under represented.

posh*spice

cogito wrote: »

Do you not think that the EU demanding ECJ overarch is insulting to the UK. Do you not think that the EU should present an itemised bill instead of saying to us 'how much will you give us?'. Do you not think that the EU demand that Northern Ireland should remain in the Customs Union is insulting to the UK?

Do you think that there is any good reason why the UK should show any flexibility in the face of all these outrageous demands?

Can you imagine them suggesting the separation of Catalonia from Spain?

I wonder why the EU think we should pay for a £90 billion trade deficit with them - surely we should be able to get that for free?

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

I would hope so. If you get your first offer, then how would they know if they could have gotten more.

The EU are behaving in the same way, the UK government is running the play book of the stereotypical bad employer. The attitude not only reveals the contempt they have for the EU, but it's also a really bad strategy.

It doesn't look that way to me and I voted remain.