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Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5
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How can you say the Norway model would have had 48%? It could be that the people that voted remain would have thought that when we leave we might as well go all the way.
We will be best off coming out on WTO terms - that is after all maximum tariffs that can be charged. That way we can trade with whoever we want and continue with the trade deals and keep hold of the £39 b they are trying to get out of us.
It is worth mentioning that the eu owes us a small fortune anyway so should be paying us.
On the basis of a 12.5% share of assets they owe us £12.1 billion.
12.5% of the eu collection of wine and art would come to about £2 million.
At the very least, Britain would be justified in seeking some recompense for the cash it was forced to shell out on mismanaged projects and counter-productive subsidies. On a very conservative assessment of Britain!!!8217;s resources in this area to the tune of £1 billion-a-year over the last EU budget cycle, we could demand back £7 billion.
10% of our contributions to the profligate EEAS over the last few years could be repaid - it is basically beachside properties in places like Barbados with massive numbers of staff and swimming pools etc, say another 340 million or so.
In 2015, Britain forked out £674 million to European governments to pay for the medical treatment of British citizens abroad. Yet there was no counterbalancing return, for the NHS recouped just £49.7 million for the treatment of EU nationals in Britain.
Brexit negotiations are an opportunity to achieve some degree of compensation for the past seven years, which would mean the return of around £2.5 billion.
The last 7 years of financing eu prisoners would be another £1.2 billion.
The bill for welfare payments of eu immigrants for the last 7 years would be about £18.4 billion.
ESA - percentage of assets would be about £31 million.
Unpaid student loans would come to £89 million, they are massively more likely to just not pay their loans.
TBH I have no idea how they have the cheek to demand money off us.What is this life if, full of care, we have no time to stand and stare0 -
Enterprise_1701C wrote: »How can you say the Norway model would have had 48%? It could be that the people that voted remain would have thought that when we leave we might as well go all the way.
Could be, I suppose that is similar to saying that 52% of voters just want to leave the EU, including the single market/customs Union. There is one way to find out, and that may well be what the Govt decides is the easiest way out of the current impasse?'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Enterprise_1701C wrote: »How can you say the Norway model would have had 48%? It could be that the people that voted remain would have thought that when we leave we might as well go all the way.
It's safe to assume that most of those than want to stay will want the next best thing.We will be best off coming out on WTO terms - that is after all maximum tariffs that can be charged. That way we can trade with whoever we want and continue with the trade deals and keep hold of the £39 b they are trying to get out of us.
The £39bn is still not related to the future trade deal; we owe it anyway.It is worth mentioning that the eu owes us a small fortune anyway so should be paying us.
On the basis of a 12.5% share of assets they owe us £12.1 billion.
12.5% of the eu collection of wine and art would come to about £2 million.
If only that was how it worked.0 -
Farage kept on and on about the Norway model being a good choice for the U.K. prior the the referendum so it’s not unreasonable to suggest that a sizeable proportion of leave voters thought that that would be the outcome. Now that we are leaving he has, of course, changed his mind.0
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Farage kept on and on about the Norway model being a good choice for the U.K. prior the the referendum so it’s not unreasonable to suggest that a sizeable proportion of leave voters thought that that would be the outcome. Now that we are leaving he has, of course, changed his mind.
You mean like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNCwcTu9U6U'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Rare to see Farage lost for words but he was speechless when a caller pointed out the bleedin' obvious:
Nigel Farage has no response to caller who points out both Norway and Switzerland have freedom of movement
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-show-lbc-brexit-eu-norway-switzerland-free-movement-article-50-a7518281.html
No, the Turkey model is the most realistic.0 -
Best yet :money:We can ask the voting public. We are leaving the EU Do you want to Crash out of the EU on WTO terms, or join EFTA similar to Norway? Simple question, democracy in action.
We could leave it as simple as that or we could have two parts to the ballot sheet.
Tick your preference
Leave the EU
Stay in EU
If the decision was to leave the EU, please tick your preference.
WTO
Norway model.
Just out of interest if those questions had been asked at the last referendum, I think we would now be sitting next to Norway in the EFTA group, after all the Norway model would have had a starting position of 48%.0 -
I don't dispute the Parliamentary maths - one glance was enough.Many people work on the assumption there is a majority in the country for a hard brexit. There isn't imo. We are already agreed there isn't a majority for a hard brexit in the Commons. Therefore the question is what happens when the EU reject Mays plan as amended by the ERG in October? Parliament won't vote through a hard brexit.....the options are therefore some sort of BINO agreed through parliament or another referendum? Look at the parliamentary maths. The ERG are about 50 MPs........against them are the Tory moderates, Labour, (apart from about 4 of their hard brexiters) and the other parties, SNP etc.
Incidentally are people aware that at such a crucial time, with so much to sort out this Govmt are planning to recess parliament five days early so that May can avoid a leadership challenge. How much longer will we be subjugating our democracy because of the internal problems of the Tory party?
"Many people work on the assumption there is a majority in the country for a hard brexit".
I never did, but thought that a Brexit with FoM radically altered is mainly what the referendum result was about.
It took a spectacular display of EU leadership obduracy and intransigence for me to realise quite clearly that "Change FoM" = "Hard Brexit". So we've been painted into a corner by the EU and it's 3 pillars/4 Freedoms. I will admit that wasn't stunningly obvious to me at referendum time, but it wouldn't have changed my vote.0 -
Can we just leave please.“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and who weren't so lazy.”0
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