Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

Lornapink wrote: »

2 approaches;

1) We throw-up our hands and run away from challenge
2) We all put our minds into sculpting a new reality

Remainers (on the whole) have been doing their best with #2 for 2 years now and still haven't been able to solve some of the problems. Some of which may be regarded as impossible. Brexiteers seem keen to insist everything will somehow be fine, and to stop worrying about it, but seem incapable of providing any answer.

We photograph & track millions of cars per week using the M25 with all it's many exits & charge motorists using the Dartford Tunnel / Bridge.


Only a small volume of trade crosses the Irish border.

That sounds like border infrastructure which has a few minor flaws:
1. It violates the GFA
2. It'll get destroyed overnight due to #1
3. It won't be ready on time
4. How are we going to pay for it?


Other than that, we're good. So can you think of a way that leaves an open border (no infrastructure/checks) WRT the GFA yet allows the rules to differ on either side?


That "solution" was ruled out over a year ago.



As far as I can see May has 4 options:
1. Give NI back to Eire (outrage, violence)

2. Rip up the GFA and deal with the fall out (outrage, violence)

3. Remain in the customs union (outrage, prosperity)

4. Put the border in the Irish sea and tell the DUP to get stuffed (outrage, loss of confidence & supply deal).

Herzlos

LHW99 wrote: »

There was no majority requirement, but the then government promised to abide by the result.. Hence where we are.

Cameron promised to, but why anyone would believe him by that stage I don't know.

I have encountered numerous occasions in the business I'm in, where EU regulations put obstacles in the way of new developments because the rules have been written to the advantage of large companies protecting their existing product base.
It was one aspect that encouraged me to vote Leave, and I have not changed my mind. While I would accept EEA as an intermediate compromise, during a transition phase, I would not be happy for it to be the end result. As the "new plan" appears to suggest keeping entirely to the EU rules, IMO it is not a good base for a future relationship.

Can you cite one of the regulations, if it doesn't give up too much about your business?
My awareness (3rd hand) seems to largely be the opposite, with lots of exemptions for smaller businesses that larger ones don't get.

Herzlos

Lornapink wrote: »

3 things have caused delay;
Awaiting the French & then German elections. Waiting months for Merkel to assemble a Gov't.
Remainers relentless attempts to delay, stall and hamper by way of Court cases, Lords and Commons amendment mountains, the constant din of negativity which plays into Barniers hands.

How dare we insist that the country is run properly. I don't recall much delay waiting on French & German elections, at least nothing close to how much time has been spent waiting on May to decide on a starting point.

It would be very easy indeed in the hands of a Trump - "btw we're leaving next week, I'm sure you still want to run all those BMW adverts, I'm sure you don't want disruption to the massive daily flows of capital from the City that underpins your entire economy, oh and we will be backing calls for all of you to pay 2% into NATO unless that trade deal is agreed pronto"

Easy to do, but disastrous.
The EU's response to that would be "Bye". The EU isn't being bullied by the US, why would it be threatened by us?

At which point we'd be royally stuffed.

Brexit is simple in the right hands.

Yes and no. Brexit is simple, a good Brexit is a lot harder. But we'd stand a better chance if we had someone competent in charge.

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

Look at the present shower. They are fighting like rats in the sack and it's not because they care about workers rights, the NHS, education etc....they are fighting over an idealogical divide regarding our relationship with the EU.
May and the moderates know brexit will be highly damaging to the economy and thereby the most vulnerable in society and are doing whatever they can to respect the result and keep us as close to the EU as possible at the same time. The taliban totally reject this and will never accept it. They will fight a trench warfare in the coming months over it. That is what sort of Govmt your taxes will be paying towards during however long it takes for this struggle to end!
I saw a tv interview with Rees Mogg.....he's never off the tv these days is he.....he was asked about funding the NHS and whether taxes should be increased? He responded by saying taxes should never be increased in any circumstances and the NHS will benefit from the growth of the economy after brexit.
You talk about Corbyn being unrealistic, you talk about Momentum being a malign influence.......how do you think I see people like Jacob Rees Mogg. At least Corbyn cares about people; he cares about the NHS, (has done for years). He cares about poverty, education, social services, the state of the prisons, transport etc. The people now governing us care little for those things, they are purely focussed on a life or death struggle for the future direction of the tory party in relation to the EU!

I don't think that much of Jacob Rees Mogg or any of the very hard brexit supporters. But momentum are a malign influence and Labours present policies are unrealistic and will do nothing to help the people they claim to be trying to help. If all politicians actually accepted the result, stopped trying to score points and worke together we might get somewhere but there is no chance of that.

ukcarper

Ballard wrote: »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40667879/eu-trade-deal-easiest-in-human-history

Sounds accurate to we are already aligned and politics has got in the way.

GazzasUK

If you think Corbyn was involved in the peace process you are deluded...he and McDonnel for that matter have always wanted ...and still do want a United Ireland....its for that reason they have always sympathised with the IRA armed struggle...they were certainly not supporters of the peace process at all....I cannot believe there are still fools out there who choose to keep ignoring these facts....and they are facts....even the IRA themselves admit it....

cogito

ilovehouses wrote: »

You can always tell when thoughts of a general election start to enter people's consciousness.

Can you? How?

Not that the post you responded to is particularly relevant to Brexit, Corbyn does try to pretend that he was involved in the peace process despite the fact that he only ever met one side unless you include meeting a unionist MP in the bar of the HoC.

Rinoa

Herzlos wrote: »

Easy to do, but disastrous.
The EU's response to that would be "Bye". The EU isn't being bullied by the US, why would it be threatened by us?

At which point we'd be royally stuffed.

That's the message the EU want you to believe. Remainers and Mrs May fell for it hook, line and sinker.

We never tested their resolution, we should have waited until EU business started harrassing their governments asking who's going to buy the stuff we sell to the UK. Instead we just waved a white flag and rolled over. That's not negotiation, it's abject surrender.

Rinoa

Moby wrote: »

The Eire Govmt does not agree with your solution. Any such border would require some form of video camera technology to be set up. How long do you think such equipment would last on that border given the historical context?

Police cameras are already there on the border. HiDef No. plate recognition already up and running. All that's required is to provide an extra feed to HMRC for customs.

Thrugelmir

The Eire Govmt does not agree with your solution. Any such border would require some form of video camera technology to be set up.

Um. With over 3,000 crossing points seems an impractical solution to be even suggested.