Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Moby

How many brexiteers can say hand on heart that they considered the Ireland border question when reaching their decision? How do you properly acknowledge the result of a referendum when new information post referendum comes into play? Ireland will never accept a brexit without an agreement over the the border. Such an agreement implies some sort of customs arrangement. Ignoring that will be the height of folly and could lead to further troubles in Ireland.

Ballard

ukcarper wrote: »

I dont recall anyone saying getting a deal would be easy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40667879/eu-trade-deal-easiest-in-human-history

Lornapink

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

They will reject everything other than our staying in.

Newsnight last night, EU Brexit Committee member, claims we will get no more than a bare bones framework in October, & only the full trade deal terms AFTER the transition.
Really? The EU wants our £39bn when exactly?


0830
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bb2hxr/newsnight-10072018

Lornapink

Moby wrote: »

How many brexiteers can say hand on heart that they considered the Ireland border question when reaching their decision? How do you properly acknowledge the result of a referendum when new information post referendum comes into play? Ireland will never accept a brexit without an agreement over the the border. Such an agreement implies some sort of customs arrangement. Ignoring that will be the height of folly and could lead to further troubles in Ireland.

2 approaches;

1) We throw-up our hands and run away from challenge
2) We all put our minds into sculpting a new reality

Some thoughts that lead common sense folk to think there will be a solution as long as all sides genuinely want one;

We photograph & track millions of cars per week using the M25 with all it's many exits & charge motorists using the Dartford Tunnel / Bridge.


Only a small volume of trade crosses the Irish border.


Trusted trader schemes operate the world over - easy to do on Irish border. Already a border for customs, tax, money, food safety etc.


The Ambassador Bridge (French: Pont Ambassadeur) is a suspension bridge that connects Detroit, Michigan, United States, with Windsor, Ontario, Canada. It is the busiest international border crossing in North America in terms of trade volume: more than 25% of all merchandise trade between the United States and Canada crosses the toll bridge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambassador_Bridge

Lornapink

Ballard wrote: »

All of the people who said that there was no way on earth that the German carmakers would allow their government to proceed without a good deal. Liam Fox who said that it would be the easiest deal in history. Everyone who said that they need us more than we need them.

3 things have caused delay;
Awaiting the French & then German elections. Waiting months for Merkel to assemble a Gov't.
Remainers relentless attempts to delay, stall and hamper by way of Court cases, Lords and Commons amendment mountains, the constant din of negativity which plays into Barniers hands.


It would be very easy indeed in the hands of a Trump - "btw we're leaving next week, I'm sure you still want to run all those BMW adverts, I'm sure you don't want disruption to the massive daily flows of capital from the City that underpins your entire economy, oh and we will be backing calls for all of you to pay 2% into NATO unless that trade deal is agreed pronto"


Arrogant liberals remind me of power mad Churchmen that insisted on talking in Latin, overcomplicating matters to keep the dirty masses out of state business. Brexit is simple in the right hands.

buglawton

Ballard wrote: »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40667879/eu-trade-deal-easiest-in-human-history

And in that link his 2nd paragraph was

"The only reason we wouldn't come to a free and open agreement is because politics gets in the way of economics"

A prophet indeed.

Moby

Lornapink wrote: »

2 approaches;

1) We throw-up our hands and run away from challenge
2) We all put our minds into sculpting a new reality

Some thoughts that lead common sense folk to think there will be a solution as long as all sides genuinely want one;

We photograph & track millions of cars per week using the M25 with all it's many exits & charge motorists using the Dartford Tunnel / Bridge.


Only a small volume of trade crosses the Irish border.


Trusted trader schemes operate the world over - easy to do on Irish border. Already a border for customs, tax, money, food safety etc.


The Ambassador Bridge (French: Pont Ambassadeur) is a suspension bridge that connects Detroit, Michigan, United States, with Windsor, Ontario, Canada. It is the busiest international border crossing in North America in terms of trade volume: more than 25% of all merchandise trade between the United States and Canada crosses the toll bridge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambassador_Bridge

The Eire Govmt does not agree with your solution. Any such border would require some form of video camera technology to be set up. How long do you think such equipment would last on that border given the historical context?

Moby

Lornapink wrote: »

3 things have caused delay;
Awaiting the French & then German elections. Waiting months for Merkel to assemble a Gov't.
Remainers relentless attempts to delay, stall and hamper by way of Court cases, Lords and Commons amendment mountains, the constant din of negativity which plays into Barniers hands.


It would be very easy indeed in the hands of a Trump - "btw we're leaving next week, I'm sure you still want to run all those BMW adverts, I'm sure you don't want disruption to the massive daily flows of capital from the City that underpins your entire economy, oh and we will be backing calls for all of you to pay 2% into NATO unless that trade deal is agreed pronto"


Arrogant liberals remind me of power mad Churchmen that insisted on talking in Latin, overcomplicating matters to keep the dirty masses out of state business. Brexit is simple in the right hands.

Yep Trump is doing so well isn't he. He has now embarked on a trade war with China that he will never win and has alienated every ally. You thought brexit should be simple but that was because you and many others did not consider the ramifications. The only support you have politically is from the taliban extremists wh I refer to above. You live in a fantasy reality enamoured by populist dictators 'who get things done'. The EU is teaching you otherwise and it is clear the chequers deal is just the start towards what will become ultimately an even softer brexit.

LHW99

I'm always amused by people to cling to the fact there was no majority requirement but if it's that the referendum was advisory.

There was no majority requirement, but the then government promised to abide by the result.. Hence where we are.

What I don't know, is anyone who had a rational justification for Brexit that hasn't changed their mind - they've all moved onto to wanting EEA as a compromise.

I have encountered numerous occasions in the business I'm in, where EU regulations put obstacles in the way of new developments because the rules have been written to the advantage of large companies protecting their existing product base.
It was one aspect that encouraged me to vote Leave, and I have not changed my mind. While I would accept EEA as an intermediate compromise, during a transition phase, I would not be happy for it to be the end result. As the "new plan" appears to suggest keeping entirely to the EU rules, IMO it is not a good base for a future relationship.

Herzlos

Lornapink wrote: »

Newsnight last night, EU Brexit Committee member, claims we will get no more than a bare bones framework in October, & only the full trade deal terms AFTER the transition.

Sounds about right, by the time the cabinet have finished arguing they'll barely have time to order a kebab never mind hash out all the details of a trade deal.

Really? The EU wants our £39bn when exactly?

Presumably in line with when our share of expenses would be due.