Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

What do you think will happen if we leave in name only do you think it will end there and all our problems will be solved. I'm no Tory supporter but if they are completely destroyed where do you think that will leave us.

Do you think leaving will solve any of our problems?

StevieJ

ukcarper wrote: »

The people I know voted leave for various reasons some of which I believe were valid some of which were debatable,.

I know one person who voted leave to make the result closer because he thought Remain would win easily, I joke not :eek:
Reminds me of the Olympic boxing final of 1988 in Seoul where Roy Jones Jnr completely outboxed his opponent but lost the bout. One judge admitted that he scored against Jones to make the score less embarrassing for the host nation.

While the International Olympic Committee refused to overturn the decision, they did end up banning for life two of the five judges from that championship fight, and altered its judging methods which puts more emphasis on the counting of punches landed. And while the IOC did not offer even a replica gold medal, they did bestow upon Jones nine years later the Olympic Order, in recognition of a victory not recognized at the time.

https://theolympians.co/2016/05/12/roy-jones-jr-and-park-si-hun-fight-in-one-of-the-most-controversial-boxing-matches-in-olympic-history/

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

Do you think leaving will solve any of our problems?

Me personal no.

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

No matter what happens brexit is going to continue to be a problem for years and won't be sorted by being brainwashed into being a born again brexiteer.

I don't care what happens to the Tories. If they get destroyed at the ballot box they deserve it. They only had one job and it beggars belief they still can't agree how to go about it.

Maybe the Tories are really a coalition of two incompatible parties and it's time for them to stop pretending.

True but I feel not respecting the result will cause additional problems will democracy in this country.

Leaving momentum no opposition will be disastrous for this country. I am at heart a bit of a lefty and in my younger days would have voted for Corbyn and momentum's Labour Party but after experiencing many governments and gaining years of experience I realise that their policies although admirable are totally unrealistic and can not be achieved.

Filo25

ukcarper wrote: »

What do you think will happen if we leave in name only do you think it will end there and all our problems will be solved. I'm no Tory supporter but if they are completely destroyed where do you think that will leave us.

Is anyone proposing "leaving in name only"?

Theresa May's proposal isn't as close to the EU as say the Norway option, and pretty much any Leaver I heard pre-ref was happy enough to talk up the benefits of the Norway model, it's only when Leave won that it suddenly became a disgraceful sellout of the British people.

This is what happens when you whip up poopulist nonsense, it isn't too prone to listening to reason afterwards.

People were also promised the easiest trade negotiations in history with the EU as part of the Brexit process, how is that going? Nobody on the Leave side seems too worried about letting people down on that front..

Had to laugh at the Telegraph going full foaming at the mouth over May's proposal today, when did the Tory base stop becoming the supporters of business and started being populist nationalists?

Nobody is going to get what they want from the Brexit deal, either find a compromise or if you want to go WTO then put it to a second referendum, I don't see anything undemocratic about that.

bugslet

StevieJ wrote: »

I know one person who voted leave to make the result closer because he thought Remain would win easily, I joke not :eek:

Same here, I know someone did the same thing and there was a poster on DT who voted Leave as a 'protest vote', whilst wanting to Remain.

I don't know any Leavers who voted Remains as a protest though:D

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

If we don't leave the EU I'll agree.



Well if that's the will of the people I'm sure you'll be saying their policies simply must be implemented.

I will accept the result of any election as I've accepted the result of referendum. The thing you leave when you reach my age you can't always have what you want I've watch governments do things I am totally opposed.

buglawton

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/07/09/sovereign-brexit-suddenly-possible/
"Britain should reclaim its schedules from the WTO while leaving the door open for a full trade deal that includes services on the basis of mutual recognition, should the EU wish to protect its €80bn (£71bn) surplus."

Credits: Ambrose Evans-Pritchard column in Daily Telegraph 9th July, reg for free account to read the full article.

It succinctly expresses where I think Brexit should have gone.

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

People were also promised the easiest trade negotiations in history with the EU as part of the Brexit process, how is that going?

Promised by who? The political intransigence of Brussels was well forecast.

ukcarper

bugslet wrote: »

Same here, I know someone did the same thing and there was a poster on DT who voted Leave as a 'protest vote', whilst wanting to Remain.

I don't know any Leavers who voted Remains as a protest though:D

I think to many people are looking for reasons to justify no accepting the result and fail to accept that any people in this country want to leave EU and the remain campaign which consisted of the majority of politicians failed to change their mind.