Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Lornapink

Lornapink wrote: »

Right, so it's ok for the EU to take a tough line with us in the negotiation, no matter what.

But it's not ok if we simply ask European nations to deliver on their commitment to pay 2% of GDP to defence, even though we pay this 2% & Europe benefits by our military projection?

Let me guess, that's not a case of EU cherry picking...

UPDATE;

Trump now demanding Europe pays 4% into defence.

As I said, we hold the whip hand. A quiet word in Merkel's ear that we will publicly back Trump's calls, gives us great leverage in the Brexit negotiation.
To reiterate, the EU is financially precarious, the ECB still furiously printing money, several economies are far from stable, Eurobond market could pop any moment and so the EU needs our £39bn & needs us NOT backing Trump's defence spending demands.

Rinoa

Well done Theresa

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

I don't think they kept it secret. Much like the Tories they were divided on the issue so didn't have a clear position.

I can't see anyone campaigning for us to rejoin so the future Europe issues will be beltway issues - boring stuff about which people can stop pretending they care about.

If the government deliver on what the referendum was allegedly about (EU membership) and what it was really about (immigration) people will move on even more rapidly.

Yes they were deliberately vague if they said as many of thier MPs are saying that they want to stay in customs union and all that that entails they would have lost a lot of votes.

Lornapink

Arklight wrote: »

No it won't.

Complacent liberals also predicted;
Trump could never win
Germany would never again see far-right MP's
Remain would easily win
Trump would immediately crash the economy (Obama never got beyond 2.4% growth, US now easily going to exceed 5%)
US firms would never onshore all that corporate cash, that 'those manufacturing jobs' Trump promised 'would never return' (they are big time, yes with the odd exception yawn)
That we'd never trigger A50
Predicted lots of recessions through 2016/17 none of which materialised

kabayiri

Lornapink wrote: »

Complacent liberals also predicted;
Trump could never win
Germany would never again see far-right MP's
Remain would easily win
Trump would immediately crash the economy (Obama never got beyond 2.4% growth, US now easily going to exceed 5%)
US firms would never onshore all that corporate cash, that 'those manufacturing jobs' Trump promised 'would never return' (they are big time, yes with the odd exception yawn)
That we'd never trigger A50
Predicted lots of recessions through 2016/17 none of which materialised

Govern by fear.

"Get in your box you pesky little voters" they will say.

"You can't be unhappy with the status quo; it's simply not allowed"

"There is no other way than *our way*"

I suspect the liberals nicked a copy of the Dictator's handbook.

Ballard

Lornapink wrote: »

What happened to 'we must never give in to terror'?

People have realised that army patrols in Northern Ireland did nothing to increase security in the region. Listening to both sides and actually getting them communicate with each other has been more successful in recent years.

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

If I'm honest, no I'm not following events over there.

Why should I?

Annual event. Hardly news. Simmers beneath the surface continually.

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

If I'm honest, no I'm not following events over there.

Why should I?

I think that sums up my problem with Brexiteers pretty well. The answer is that you should care, because it gives a good indication of what your Brexit will do to other people.


And then there's this gem:


https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1017067259636920321

but there's another little-known element of worst-case No Deal, which is pretty extraordinary: when I told one colleague about it he asked: "Have you been drinking?

until now, you may not have paid too much attention to the single electricity market on the island of Ireland, one of the legacies of the Good Friday Agreement: in short, a large amount of power in Northern Ireland comes from south of the border...

in the event of a totally disruptive rupture with the bloc Whitehall officials fear that power providers in the republic could end the provision of electricity because the UK would no longer be part of the European electricity market...

The solution drawn up by panicked mandarins: thousands of electricity generators would have to be requisitioned at short notice and put on barges in the Irish Sea to help keep the lights on in Northern Ireland: here's my story

Officials are modelling how they might have to bring back generators from far-flung countries such as Afghanistan – where the UK is still part of Nato-led operations - in order to prevent blackouts.

of course, some will dismiss this as Project Fear part II. But one government official said the idea of electricity barges in the Irish Sea was one of the most “gob-smacking” elements of no-deal preparations...

Herzlos

Lornapink wrote: »

UPDATE;

Trump now demanding Europe pays 4% into defence.

As I said, we hold the whip hand. A quiet word in Merkel's ear that we will publicly back Trump's calls, gives us great leverage in the Brexit negotiation.

Trump is a laughing stock who doesn't understand NATO. No-one in Europe is going to pay any attention to that. German news channels can't report on his antics with a straight face.


Threatening Merkel will do absolutely nothing.

the EU needs our £39bn & needs us NOT backing Trump's defence spending demands.

No it doesn't, and no it doesn't.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

I think that sums up my problem with Brexiteers pretty well. The answer is that you should care, because it gives a good indication of what your Brexit will do to other people.
...

Look, don't ask a question if all you want is answers which meet your own approval.

Just tell people what their opinion should be.

It's very EU you know.