Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Masomnia

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Sad indictment of what people consider newsworthy.

Dig deep enough there'll always be someone with an alternative view. Another Twitter user that is followed by whom?

I've never seen such sour grapes!

Thrugelmir

Masomnia wrote: »

I've never seen such sour grapes!

Gareth apparently bought a trophy cabinet from IKEA in the May sales.

Lornapink

Herzlos wrote: »

Lorna; brexit is playing out exactly as predicted by project fear.

Remainers 2016 and on;


A trade deal with the EU will take 10 yrs to negotiate
The EU wants nothing from us it cant produce itself, it doesn't care about our market, we're only 4%.
The EU wont want a decent trade deal, they care only about political unity.
At best we'll get a punishment deal, no cherry picking, nothing.


Lots of noises coming out of EU chiefs that the deal will be special, deep and timely.


Remainers must be embarrassed they were so wrong on it all.

Lornapink

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

Sad but accurate indictment of the current situation:

The former Swedish prime minister Carl Bildt tweeted on Monday that Britain "used to be a nation providing leadership to the world - now, it can't even provide leadership to itself".

Reported here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44767848

Underpinning your assertion is your notion of a competence hierarchy with us near the bottom.


Given you've thought this through, which European Govt's are at the opposite end to the 'laughing stock' UK?
I predict you wont answer this question.
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Moby

Lornapink wrote: »

I feel fairly content as a Brexiteer. Remainers have moved massively in my direction. 2 years ago their narratives were around us never getting a good deal as the EU didn't need anything from us as they're the mighty 27 and we have nothing they can't produce themselves.
I was told we'd get a punishment deal at best.
Sir Ivan Rogers and his gullible followers assured me 'a deal will take at least 10 years to negotiate' ignoring the facts we proffered showing deals taking under 2 years.

Now look at the language many Remainers are using, for example Sarah Woolaston saying we should all get round Mrs May's deal, which is a deal far, far beyond anything Rermainers said would ever be possible, let alone within a few years.


I realise the EU is yet to agree things, but none the less the language shift from Remainers is remarkable.

So now Lorna is perfectly happy to accept a semi Brexit in which we'll be a vassal state of the EU sticking to their rule book......and you crow about remainers moving in your direction:rotfl:

Zero_Gravitas

Lornapink wrote: »

Underpinning your assertion is your notion of a competence hierarchy with us near the bottom.


Given you've thought this through, which European Govt's are at the opposite end to the 'laughing stock' UK?
I predict you wont answer this question.
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You’re completely wrong in your assertion about a “competence hierarchy”

Just at the moment, it really doesn’t matter about any other country at all - it’s that the U.K. government is incapable of negotiating with itself, let alone anyone else.

Malthusian

Remainers for the past year: "David Davis and Boris Johnson are a disgrace, they should resign"

Davis and Johnson resign

Remainers: "The Government's in shambles"

Literally never happy.

Enterprise_1701C

Malthusian wrote: »

Remainers for the past year: "David Davis and Boris Johnson are a disgrace, they should resign"

Davis and Johnson resign

Remainers: "The Government's in shambles"

Literally never happy.

You can guarantee that if we stayed in it would be the wrong sort of remain.

Hopefully (almost certainly) the eu will reject this latest idea anyway. They will reject everything other than our staying in. I've said before, we are their cash cows, they want us for our money.

This way at least we will be out without a deal, keep hold of the money they are begging for, and find our own level. WTO is not so bad, it is a set of maximum levels for tariffs.

Once we are out they can't complain about anything we do, well, they can complain, but they can't do a thing about it. We will prosper, it is our way.

The eu is getting more and more about control, the germans want to take over the whole of Europe so they can wreck all the economies and have everyone indebted to them. Why else would they open the floodgates to all the economic migrants? It is not mistake that Italy is now really struggling.

System

Malthusian wrote: »

Remainers for the past year: "David Davis and Boris Johnson are a disgrace, they should resign"

Davis and Johnson resign

Remainers: "The Government's in shambles"

Literally never happy.

But.... both those things are true. I'm not sure what the problem is.

Enterprise_1701C

I suppose we should be grateful it is not corbyn, or rather momentum (lets not pretend he is the one in charge of labour) running the show. He obviously does anything they say, if he had any honour he would have gone when there was a massive vote of no confidence in him.

It would certainly be far worse if it was them in charge.