Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

System

What an embarrassment.

mrginge

My understanding is that only the DUP can decide if there!!!8217;s going to be a GE.

Rinoa

Good to see Mrs May's soft Brexit going so well. :rotfl:

Zero_Gravitas

Rinoa wrote: »

Good to see [STRIKE]Mrs May's soft[/STRIKE] Brexit going so well. :rotfl:

Fixed that for you

Herzlos

I guess Boris got sick of trying to get fired. Things must be bad for Brexit if that rats fled am the ship.

Thrugelmir

Rinoa wrote: »

Good to see Mrs May's soft Brexit going so well. :rotfl:

Brexit finally seems to be moving to the end game. Boris has been a man hanging by a thread for a very long time for a whole variety of reasons. Brexit is Brexit. Neither hard nor soft. Where everybody can simply get on with their lives.

Masomnia

Herzlos wrote: »

That said; it's not even down to what the EU says, it's down to legal interpretation of the article itself. In contract law (EU based?) That also means any vague terms can be interpreted to favour the smaller side (UK). Thus unless article 50 says we rescind perks (it doesnt) or that we revert to a new member status (it doesn't), then we can withdraw it and join exactly as we left. But with extra embarrassment and a few hundred lost jobs.

The lies about it being impossible to unwind are to make you think crashing off the cliff is (a) inevitable and (b) the EUs fault.

Can you cite anything that claims otherwise?

Nothing to do with contract, all down to the interpretation of the Treaty.

Since people in this thread seem to like scripts:

UK: We want to revoke article 50.
EU: You can't.
UK: Yes we can, Hamish said we can, and apparently so did the chap who wrote it in the first place.
EU: Doesn't matter, not up to them....

...I suppose we could agree to revoke A50 after all. But you have to give up the rebate, join Schengen, and stop referring to 'Somerset' Brie.
UK: We want to remain on the same terms.
EU: You're kidding right? After the past two years? If you're not happy then take it to the ECJ.
UK: But that will take months. We'll have crashed out by then with no deal!
EU: Not our problem.

So if anything trying to revoke A50 could make no deal more likely. Unless they do let us remain on the same terms but I think that's incredibly unlikely.

kabayiri

Masomnia wrote: »

Nothing to do with contract, all down to the interpretation of the Treaty.

Since people in this thread seem to like scripts:

UK: We want to revoke article 50.
EU: You can't.
UK: Yes we can, Hamish said we can, and apparently so did the chap who wrote it in the first place.
EU: Doesn't matter, not up to them....

...I suppose we could agree to revoke A50 after all. But you have to give up the rebate, join Schengen, and stop referring to 'Somerset' Brie.
UK: We want to remain on the same terms.
EU: You're kidding right? After the past two years? If you're not happy then take it to the ECJ.
UK: But that will take months. We'll have crashed out by then with no deal!
EU: Not our problem.

So if anything trying to revoke A50 could make no deal more likely. Unless they do let us remain on the same terms but I think that's incredibly unlikely.

Indeed. Or...to paraphrase. Politicians doing what they always do. Bickering and getting one over on each other.

Herzlos

It's an awful lot more likely than the cake and eat it plan.

We're already over the barrel, so we may as well go for the easy way out.

You're right; they may make us go through the ECJ, but they may also just agree. They need us more than we need them, they won't want to hurt their industries etc. Think of the Spanish orange growers

buglawton

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/11/how-would-the-conservatives-trigger-a-leadership-contest-against-theresa-may
"15% of Conservative MPs would need to back a no confidence vote in the PM"

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