Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

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I'm coming round towards WTO - I'll make a small fortune and then we'll rejoin pretty quickly where I can spend it

See?

Another happy customer, courtesy of BoJo's Brexiteers.

The EU will have another completely different list of demands should we want to rejoin. (Merkel will demand it, if she still has a day job).

StevieJ

Martin was very good on Radio 4 last night. I paraphrase, something like. Was a binary referendum question asking if we should leave or stay in the EU, a rejection of the single market and customs Union. Was it B......... fill in any any word starting with B that means no. :-)

kabayiri

StevieJ wrote: »

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Was it B......... fill in any any word starting with B that means no. :-)

Bu shi.

(Mandarin).

What do I win?

Filo25

Graham_Devon wrote: »

So let's see if the EU accepts it.

When they don't, will you just even partially agree with some of us that a hard brexit won't have been something created by the "brexiters"?

I don't expect the EU to accept it, I don't think anyone does, we are still at the stage of the tory party negotiating with itself.

This proposal might at least get closer to being the start of something that can seriously be discussed though, so I will take that tiny positive, along with the fact that the cabinet Brexiters seem to have kept their mouth shut for a few hours, as opposed to endlessly telling us what they are opposed to without coming up with a realistic proposal to go forwards with.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

So let's see if the EU accepts it.

When they don't, will you just even partially agree with some of us that a hard brexit won't have been something created by the "brexiters"?

Och away Graham....

This is a good starting point for negotiation, nothing more, and it still involves the UK trying to cherry pick parts of Europe a la carte, and having cake and eating it.

So I have no doubt that the EU will reject much of it - and then we'll negotiate some more - until a workable deal is finally arrived at.

But in reality, what was conceded last night is that a hard Brexit is economically, politically and practically off the table.

And that if push comes to shove - if we're forced to choose between an EEA/EFTA type Norway/Swiss model, or a Canadian style FTA or No Deal, we'll choose an EEA/EFTA style deal.

buglawton

StevieJ wrote: »

Martin was very good on Radio 4 last night. I paraphrase, something like. Was a binary referendum question asking if we should leave or stay in the EU, a rejection of the single market and customs Union. Was it B......... fill in any any word starting with B that means no. :-)

Martin who and on which programme?

Zero_Gravitas

buglawton wrote: »

Martin who and on which programme?

Martin Lewis on “Any Questions” on BBC Radio 4 last night. Repeated on Radio 4 today after the news at 13:00.

Also available on IPlayer here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/anyquestions.shtml

Thrugelmir

StevieJ wrote: »

Three times? Are you actually referring to the GLOBAL financial crisis?

No. Impact on pension savings, increased unsustainable public spending , tax raids on individuals spring to mind.

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

I don't expect the EU to accept it, I don't think anyone does, we are still at the stage of the tory party negotiating with itself.

Only afterwards will the full story be known. Like an iceberg. Very little is above water. Whatever ones view. The UK has to formulate a starting position. The opposition parties aren't offering any constructive imput either preferring to snipe and play their own power games.

wunferall

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Only afterwards will the full story be known. Like an iceberg. Very little is above water. Whatever ones view. The UK has to formulate a starting position. The opposition parties aren't offering any constructive imput either preferring to snipe and play their own power games.

Sensible post there & agreed completely.

I suspect that (unbeknown to the UK public of course) the UK government had a starting position even before Article 50 was implemented - and that this was an understanding that the EU would never allow a country to leave and have other countries see this country prosper once free of the EU.

What I see so far from the so-called "negotiations" do nothing to counter that opinion.
The EU's response will, I suspect, prove their intent to do no more than try and punish the UK for daring to leave.
It doesn't seem to bother them that by so doing they will harm themselves too, which TBH tells anybody all that they really need to know about what sort of an organisation the EU is.