Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

Define !!!8220;almost politically palatable!!!8221; in this case.
It may be !!!8220;best for the Irish!!!8221; , but what about the British majority in NI?

They'd hate it. But most of mainland UK wouldn't care, so it'd be unlikely to produce enough outrage to topple a government.



I can't quite figure out if the removal of NI MP's would be good or bad for the other parties. With the last GE results, having no NI MP's would mean Tories would have got a majority (I think).



So "almost politically palatable" means "crap for few enough people for politicians to get away with it".




Bear in mind that at this stage of Brexit, it's all about how politicians can keep their jobs whilst upsetting as few people as possible. Upsetting the NI citizens in order to appease the Euro-sceptic Tories doesn't seem like a particularly bad option for someone with that motivation.


Of course, if NI was allowed to leave the UK, Scotland would get even noisier. But then if NI gets special dispensation to stay in the CU, Scotland will ask for that too.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

They'd hate it. But most of mainland UK wouldn't care, so it'd be unlikely to produce enough outrage to topple a government.



I can't quite figure out if the removal of NI MP's would be good or bad for the other parties. With the last GE results, having no NI MP's would mean Tories would have got a majority (I think).



So "almost politically palatable" means "crap for few enough people for politicians to get away with it".




Bear in mind that at this stage of Brexit, it's all about how politicians can keep their jobs whilst upsetting as few people as possible. Upsetting the NI citizens in order to appease the Euro-sceptic Tories doesn't seem like a particularly bad option for someone with that motivation.


Of course, if NI was allowed to leave the UK, Scotland would get even noisier. But then if NI gets special dispensation to stay in the CU, Scotland will ask for that too.

You talk way too glibly about the sensibilities of those in NI who identify as British. You do know there were two sets of terrorists during the troubles don’t you?
If a border on the island of Ireland is enough to get you worrying about how the Nationalist community would react, extend that logic to how Loyalists would react to a border in the Irish Sea between them and them and their kith and kin in the rest of the U.K.

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

I think it was established that compromise was necessary a long time ago. Isn't the discussion about who will accept what and where we end up?

Not really. It’s pretty much sorted isn’t it?

This board’s team remain are all pretty clear that it’s going to be EEA or some slightly adjusted variant.

And you are all happy with that too.

Herzlos

No that's a fair point. I hadn't considered that angle. I'd assumed there'd be enough of a majority to avoid problems, but that's naive.

Enterprise_1701C

I have long been thinking this thread is pointless.

What will happen is the UK and the eu will settle on a deal, Spain will veto it and we will end up out without a deal and the eu will not get a penny.

Happy days.

cogito

To suggest that there is any possibility of a return to violence in Ireland whatever the outcome of Brexit negotiations is beyond ridiculous.

Apart from a few nutters known to the security services, there is no interest in kicking things off.

cogito

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I have long been thinking this thread is pointless.

What will happen is the UK and the eu will settle on a deal, Spain will veto it and we will end up out without a deal and the eu will not get a penny.

Happy days.

Quite. Any deal has to get past 27 EU parliaments, our own, MEPS and the European Commission. What are the chances of that?

Tromking

cogito wrote: »

Quite. Any deal has to get past 27 EU parliaments, our own, MEPS and the European Commission. What are the chances of that?

According to Andrew Neill’s twitter account, TM’s Government are now telling Brexiteers that no deal is not an option and any rejection of the deal they get will result in the U.K. probably remaining in the EU.
Make of that what you will.

Zero_Gravitas

cogito wrote: »

Quite. Any deal has to get past 27 EU parliaments, our own, MEPS and the European Commission. What are the chances of that?

Any time the remain side point out that there are difficulties and problems associated with a proposal, they are accused of being negative and defeatist and unpatriotic and should jolly well get behind the proposal and be optimistic.

Why should things be any different for the brexiteers?

Thrugelmir

cogito wrote: »

Any deal has to get past 27 EU parliaments

More than 27. Believe it's 35 by the time you include regional.

Then there's also.

“Central Europe would veto any Brexit deal limiting rights to work in Britain: Slovak PM”

Reuters, 17 September 2016

And people think there are problems now. :rotfl: