Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

cogito

posh*spice wrote: »

I don't know Ken Clarke might think it's worth it - he's old.

If he was promised a lordship, he'd fall into line.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

Do the middle ground see the problem as coming from the eu or the uk? This is all playing out exactly like 48% of the voters predicted at the time.

The only people surprised at this stage are the ones that bought the lies about us having the eu over a barrel.

As I've said I voted remain but yes I see it as mainly coming from EU, they have made no consessions they just made a list of demands and complained we haven't accepted them all.

mayonnaise

posh*spice wrote: »

Public opinion- all polls show no shift in public opinion. Leaving the EU still wins.

No it doesn't.

UK Voters Increasingly Unhappy With Plans to Leave EU

https://www.theepochtimes.com/uk-voters-increasingly-unhappy-with-plans-to-leave-eu_2344248.html

posh*spice wrote: »

If we go to WTO the public won't even notice. We just need to be ready.

How do we get ready? By stopping shopping in Aldi and Lidl and get back to Tesco and Sainsbury? :rotfl:
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5486489

posh*spice wrote: »

We survived the financial crisis , so much worse than this. We survived WW2 we will not even notice this.

Yeah.... we won the war!

gfplux

The EU don't want a NO deal. A NO deal is damaging to the EU, even if that damage is much less that the damage to Britain.
No member of the EU27 want any more damage than can be helped.

If only Britain had been good at negotiating the withdrawal, if only.
Any competent negotiating team with a United and closed lipped Government behind them would have made much better progress.
Posters here complain because the EU are proving a hard nut to crack. They should be complaining about the British sides lack of focus and unity.
Any other country thinking of leaving the EU now know how complex that is but would definitely think they could make a better fist of negotiating than Britain.
Frankly Britains incompetence and bungling in this matter has damaged Britains reputation and it will be a long time in its repair.
Be glad that Britains civil servants and professional diplomats know what they are doing. They are hard at work on the pumps attempting to save the ship.

ukcarper

gfplux wrote: »

The EU don't want a NO deal. A NO deal is damaging to the EU, even if that damage is much less that the damage to Britain.
No member of the EU27 want any more damage than can be helped.

If only Britain had been good at negotiating the withdrawal, if only.
Any competent negotiating team with a United and closed lipped Government behind them would have made much better progress.
Posters here complain because the EU are proving a hard nut to crack. They should be complaining about the British sides lack of focus and unity.
Any other country thinking of leaving the EU now know how complex that is but would definitely think they could make a better fist of negotiating than Britain.
Frankly Britains incompetence and bungling in this matter has damaged Britains reputation and it will be a long time in its repair.
Be glad that Britains civil servants and professional diplomats know what they are doing. They are hard at work on the pumps attempting to save the ship.

What do you think the EU would actually accept before moving on.

Ballard

Herzlos wrote: »

There's a very vocal minority who view paying any cash to the eu as unacceptable. I think that's why May is trying to link the payout to trade so she can say it's part of the ongoing trade deal and not the cost of breaking our obligations.




Seriously?
They won't notice the extra time crossing customs? The price rises due to tariffs? The drop in public services from new austerity?

It's quite worrying that people thank posts such as the ones that posh*spice posts.

fewgroats

posh*spice wrote: »

Public opinion- all polls show no shift in public opinion. Leaving the EU still wins.

This would show an ignorance on the Remoaner side on how to do dubious polls, for a start.

What I don't understand is why the Tories can't just call themselves the Total B Party or whatever and the referendum will have no meaning. It was only a "promise" from the Tories. You might have to lose Theresa May, but that's no great loss.

Moby

Rinoa wrote: »

Christopher Chope, MP for Christchurch and serving on the 'Exiting the European Union Committee:

Difficult to see how any reponsible UK government could agree to any of that. Looks like the WTO route.

Well if it is the WTO route we are all going to pay big time!

Ballard

Two articles that were brought to my attention this week. Unsurprisingly I'm unfamiliar with either publication so can't say that they're either unbiased or accurate but I have no reason to doubt them.

Both articles suggest to me that it will be tougher and more expensive to source food in the coming years.

http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/brexit-exemption-sought-grimsby-seafood-736984

https://www.farminguk.com/news/Farms-will-see-complete-train-wreck-of-a-season-as-workers-decline_47873.html

ukcarper

The above few post show the problem with this thread. Leaving on WTO terms will be detrimental to the UK but it will not be the major catastrophe that many remainers posters post conversely it will not go unnoticed as some brexiters say. The truth will be somewhere in between trade will still continue between EU and UK albeit at different levels.