Pay Cap in Parts of public sector lifting....

seven-day-weekend

Tromking wrote: »

That'll be my pay not yours of course as you've retired already.
Besides, my civil service pension is part of my current pay and conditions payable on retirement, as was yours and your husbands of course.
Do you not see how hypocritical you appear?

No I honestly do not. People were grizzling about their pay when I was working and I said the same then, that we had a good deal with the pension, holidays and sick leave conditions. I didn't mind having a little less salary than the private sector for these reasons. BECAUSE it was public money.

ETA: I didn't vote Tory in those days either .

seven-day-weekend

IAmWales wrote: »

sdw is a Tory apologist. She'd argue black was white rather than disagree with old Mayhem.

I just happen to think thy are better for the country than a bunch of Marxists and Trots!!

Tromking

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

No I honestly do not. People were grizzling about their pay when I was working and I said the same then, that we had a good deal with the pension, holidays and sick leave conditions. I didn't mind having a little less salary than the private sector for these reasons. BECAUSE it was public money.

ETA: I didn't vote Tory in those days either .

A laudable attitude, but one that can never be tested and therefore meaningless.

thepurplepixie

Windofchange wrote: »

It's what I have been saying on here for a while now. I work at a large London hospital, and our trust is currently operating with a 42% shortage of nursing staff. It would be genuinely eye opening I think for Joe Bloggs to see how thinly stretched hospitals are. We cannot recruit people into a multitude of allied health professional roles as nobody can afford to come to London. Two people in my team have handed their notices in this month to move out of the city and raise a family - they can't afford it here.

10 years of cheap credit and reckless lending is going to cause financial crisis part 2 in the near future to my mind, but it is what we need to restore some sort of normality to London / the S.E.

From what I have read a huge number of nurses are going to reach retirement age in the next few years so I can't even imagine how bad the shortages are going to be then. I can't remember the figure off hand but I know I was really shocked at how high it was. I suppose we only need the change to student funding for nurses to put people off and we will really have chaos. I feel sorry for the people trying to cope with the situation.

seven-day-weekend

Is funding for nurses any different to any other University funding?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Huge numbers of nurses have been going to retire soon for years!
This is from March 2001:

the RCN found 24% of registered nurses are set to retire in the next five years

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-101112/Nursing-shortages-putting-NHS-plans-risk.html
No matter who has been in power, the shortages of various NHS staff have been known for decades yet nothing has been done to improve the long-term situation.
Pay rises alone will not solve the problem although it might help.
Rather than spending money on training more we should pay more to migrate here instead?
That hasn't worked for the last how many years - and look where it is in danger of leaving us now.

Tromking

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Huge numbers of nurses have been going to retire soon for years!
This is from March 2001:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-101112/Nursing-shortages-putting-NHS-plans-risk.html
No matter who has been in power, the shortages of various NHS staff have been known for decades yet nothing has been done to improve the long-term situation.
Pay rises alone will not solve the problem although it might help.
Rather than spending money on training more we should pay more to migrate here instead?
That hasn't worked for the last how many years - and look where it is in danger of leaving us now.

Clearly the policy re. our public services of successive governments perennially trying to get a 'quart out of a pint pot' is coming to a head.
I can't speak for the NHS but in my sphere, we have a perfect storm of the oldies retiring, retiring early, going part time and in growing numbers just leaving because they've had enough. Factor in the poorly remunerated newbies leaving in droves and you have a workforce planners ultimate nightmare.
I've just gone part time myself way earlier than I'd originally planned and probably as a precursor to eventually leaving altogether. As we Screws say," Jobs gone".

Andy_L

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

Is funding for nurses any different to any other University funding?

Not anymore. Used to be free and come with a bursary. Now its the same student loan system

ISTR reading, but can't remember where, that the impact had been no reduction in school leavers applying but a reduction in mature applicants.

seven-day-weekend

Andy_L wrote: »

Not anymore. Used to be free and come with a bursary. Now its the same student loan system

ISTR reading, but can't remember where, that the impact had been no reduction in school leavers applying but a reduction in mature applicants.

I would imagine there has been a reduction of mature applicants overall, not just in nursing, because of the loan system.

thepurplepixie

I think the changes to nursing funding will hit mature students very hard. The trouble with nursing is they have much long terms than most students so no chance to work in holidays and for half the year they are on placements so basically working fulltime and writing essays etc so again not much chance to work. Not just nursing of course, midwives, paramedics etc also affected I think.

I know when I was in hospital earlier this year the student nurses were really working hard and it does seem unfair that they are working a full week and not getting anything for it. I don't know how they would have coped on the ward I was on without the students. The nurses said they particularly relied on the third year students who were hugely valuable to them.