Pay Cap in Parts of public sector lifting....

seven-day-weekend

Tromking wrote: »

Sorry, I don't believe you.
You have the luxury of wanting to be a "responsible citizen" from the relatively cushy position of being the joint beneficiary of two unreformed public sector pensions (I assume?) and despite what you say, safe in the knowledge that those pensions quite rightly so will always rise in line with the cost of living.

Yes we do have those pensions. Does that mean I can't still be a responsible citizen? I can't make you believe me, but that is how I feel.

And both my husband and myself frequently count our blessings and are well aware that other people are not in our position. Our son will not be. This is one of the reasons why we helped him out with the deposit for his flat.

You might be interested to know that my husband's pension is actuarily reduced because he took it five years early due to health reasons. He paid into it for 25 years. I only paid into mine for ten years. So neither of them are full pensions.

I don't know what you mean by 'unreformed'.

Tromking

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

Yes we do have those pensions. Does that mean I can't still be a responsible citizen? I can't make you believe me, but that is how I feel.

And both my husband and myself frequently count our blessings and are well aware that other people are not in our position. Our son will not be. This is one of the reasons why we helped him out with the deposit for his flat.

You might be interested to know that my husband's pension is actuarily reduced because he took it five years early due to health reasons. He paid into it for 25 years. I only paid into mine for ten years. So neither of them are full pensions.

I don't know what you mean by 'unreformed'.

Most public sector pensions, if not all were changed to career average schemes in 2015. These new schemes upped the NPA to the state pension age and meant more in the way personal contributions. You were probably too close to your retirement to be affected.
You and your husband deserve everything you've earned in your working lives, try not to be too churlish about the other people coming up behind you eh?

Moby

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-philip-hammond-boasting_uk_59b15e62e4b0dfaafcf5fdc5 Our multi millionaire Chancellor http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/pmqs-theresa-may-nurses_uk_59afe25ae4b0354e440e1835?ir=UK+Politics&utm_hp_ref=uk-politics All heart aren't they!

thepurplepixie

Windofchange wrote: »

Oh ok. Maybe we could then benchmark a Fireman's wage against the local florists? I hear they both use hosepipes so it must be pretty much the same thing?

Or window cleaners, they use ladders and water. This. could be a brilliant new way to set pay scales.

Nurses change beds so pay them the same as chambermaids?

thepurplepixie

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

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Do private sector wages rises match inflation? My son's 'living wage' certainly hasn't!!

Don't know about living wage but NMW has certainly gone up by more than inflation a few times.

seven-day-weekend

Tromking wrote: »

Most public sector pensions, if not all were changed to career average schemes in 2015. These new schemes upped the NPA to the state pension age and meant more in the way personal contributions. You were probably too close to your retirement to be affected.
You and your husband deserve everything you've earned in your working lives, try not to be too churlish about the other people coming up behind you eh?

I am sorry if it comes over like that,I don't mean to. I always knew the pensions were good, that is one of the reasons I worked in the public sector. But so, imho, were the terms and conditions of employment. For example, six months of full pay and six of half pay if you were off sick. Not many private sector employees get anything like that.

However, my husband and I took early retirement in 2004. Things may be different now,. I know both the Teachers' and teh LG Pension schemes have changed; however they are still much better than most others - ask the Pensions experts on these forums!

I don't know if terms and conditions are anything like they used to be but if they are then I think they are worth making a small sacrifice of pay rises for.

seven-day-weekend

thepurplepixie wrote: »

Don't know about living wage but NMW has certainly gone up by more than inflation a few times.

Yes, you are quite right, it has.

Tromking

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

I don't know if terms and conditions are anything like they used to be but if they are then I think they are worth making a small sacrifice of pay rises for.

That'll be my pay not yours of course as you've retired already.
Besides, my civil service pension is part of my current pay and conditions payable on retirement, as was yours and your husbands of course.
Do you not see how hypocritical you appear?

IAmWales

sdw is a Tory apologist. She'd argue black was white rather than disagree with old Mayhem.

Windofchange

vivatifosi wrote: »

Because it has gone on too long now and is causing real problems with retention and recruitment, especially in the south east.

Where I live in Herts I'm not a million miles from The Mount prison. What happened there is entirely down to staff shortages and poor morale with people rioting because they were stuck in their cells.

Similarly, going in a blue light ambulance to Watford General with a relative last week, the hospital was on Black Alert, meaning that it couldn't guarantee the safety of seriously ill patients. It was like a war zone and even the corridors were full of people waiting on ambulance trolleys, meaning the paramedics couldn't leave to deal with other patients.

The problems are similar with fire and the police, at least in the south east. This may not affect all areas of the country to the same extent, but these sectors have in many instances been squeezed until the pips squeak.

If you don't have sufficient medical staff in a hospital, people could die, which is totally different to failing to recruit and retain in supermarkets, where the worst case scenario is that shelves don't get refilled or the queues are a bit longer.

I too work in the public sector, but while I would like a rate of inflation increase, can't see one happening anytime soon. But my job isn't as mission critical to a properly functioning state as that of people in health, fire, policing or prisons.

It's what I have been saying on here for a while now. I work at a large London hospital, and our trust is currently operating with a 42% shortage of nursing staff. It would be genuinely eye opening I think for Joe Bloggs to see how thinly stretched hospitals are. We cannot recruit people into a multitude of allied health professional roles as nobody can afford to come to London. Two people in my team have handed their notices in this month to move out of the city and raise a family - they can't afford it here.

10 years of cheap credit and reckless lending is going to cause financial crisis part 2 in the near future to my mind, but it is what we need to restore some sort of normality to London / the S.E.