Pay Cap in Parts of public sector lifting....

Windofchange

GreatApe wrote: »

Aren't the prision staff mostly private sector now?

As for policemen I'm sure comparable private sector workers to compare could be found. Eg security guards.

Oh ok. Maybe we could then benchmark a Fireman's wage against the local florists? I hear they both use hosepipes so it must be pretty much the same thing?

seven-day-weekend

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2017/sep/12/world-stock-markets-record-highs-uk-inflation-data-business-live Inflation up to 2.9%. 1.7% average given to prison Officers and 2% to the Police. Outrageous!

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Do private sector wages rises match inflation? My son's 'living wage' certainly hasn't!!

Tromking

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

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Do private sector wages rises match inflation? My son's 'living wage' certainly hasn't!!

Has he spoken to his boss or joined a Union?

seven-day-weekend

Tromking wrote: »

Has he spoken to his boss or joined a Union?

He is in a Union -USDAW. He works in a supermarket. The pay scales are as they are.

The point I am making is, not many peoples' wages rise in line with inflation, why should Public Sector workers be any different.

(I used to work in the Public Sector before I retired. Any cost-of-living rise affects my pension).

Tromking

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

He is in a Union -USDAW. He works in a supermarket. The pay scales are as they are.

The point I am making is, not many peoples' wages rise in line with inflation, why should Public Sector workers be any different.

(I used to work in the Public Sector before I retired. Any rise affects my pension).

Private sector employees have their own problems obviously, I've never quite got the argument that just because one sector is treated shabbily then others should be happy to accept the same.
The issue for many public service roles is the burgeoning retention problem, if Tesco`s can't staff their stores no one cares. If prisons and hospitals face the same dilemma then people suffer and Government has a duty to solve the problem.
Yesterday`s announcement does nothing to solve the woeful retention rates in the Prison Service, but the Government knows that.
BTW, are you saying your pension is linked to the pay of current public sector workers?

vivatifosi

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

He is in a Union -USDAW. He works in a supermarket. The pay scales are as they are.

The point I am making is, not many peoples' wages rise in line with inflation, why should Public Sector workers be any different.

(I used to work in the Public Sector before I retired. Any rise affects my pension).

Because it has gone on too long now and is causing real problems with retention and recruitment, especially in the south east.

Where I live in Herts I'm not a million miles from The Mount prison. What happened there is entirely down to staff shortages and poor morale with people rioting because they were stuck in their cells.

Similarly, going in a blue light ambulance to Watford General with a relative last week, the hospital was on Black Alert, meaning that it couldn't guarantee the safety of seriously ill patients. It was like a war zone and even the corridors were full of people waiting on ambulance trolleys, meaning the paramedics couldn't leave to deal with other patients.

The problems are similar with fire and the police, at least in the south east. This may not affect all areas of the country to the same extent, but these sectors have in many instances been squeezed until the pips squeak.

If you don't have sufficient medical staff in a hospital, people could die, which is totally different to failing to recruit and retain in supermarkets, where the worst case scenario is that shelves don't get refilled or the queues are a bit longer.

I too work in the public sector, but while I would like a rate of inflation increase, can't see one happening anytime soon. But my job isn't as mission critical to a properly functioning state as that of people in health, fire, policing or prisons.

seven-day-weekend

Tromking wrote: »

Private sector employees have their own problems obviously, I've never quite got the argument that just because one sector is treated shabbily then others should be happy to accept the same.
The issue for many public service roles is the burgeoning retention problem, if Tesco`s can't staff their stores no one cares. If prisons and hospitals face the same dilemma then people suffer and Government has a duty to solve the problem.
Yesterday`s announcement does nothing to solve the woeful retention rates in the Prison Service, but the Government knows that.
BTW, are you saying your pension is linked to the pay of current public sector workers?

It's a cost-of-living rise, which may or may not be payable . My pension has increased by about £3 a month since I started drawing it in September 2014

I personally think it should be capped. A 5.2% increase, as shown for 2012 in the chart, is too much.

https://lgpsmember.org/more/PI-how.php

(I have edited my previous post so that it is not ambiguous).

Tromking

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

It's a cost-of-living rise, which may or may not be payable . My pension has increased by about £3 a month since I started drawing it in September 2014

I personally think it should be capped. A 5.2% increase, as shown for 2012 in the chart, is too much.

https://lgpsmember.org/more/PI-how.php

(I have edited my previous post so that it is not ambiguous).

So you've gone from suggesting that you should get credit for not wanting to benefit from PS wage rises as it enhances your pension, to now saying that your annual pension rises linked to CPI are too much.
Nice one.

seven-day-weekend

Tromking wrote: »

So you've gone from suggesting that you should get credit for not wanting to benefit from PS wage rises as it enhances your pension, to now saying that your annual pension rises linked to CPI are too much.
Nice one.

I am a responsible citizen and thinking of what is best for the country, not just for me.

In the year, 2012, I was not drawing my Local Government Pension but my husband got 5.2% rise on his Teachers' Pension and I got it on my State Pension.

Too much, imho, when workers were getting a fraction of that, or nothing. I said so to my husband at the time.

Tromking

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

I am a responsible citizen and thinking of what is best for the country, not just for me.

Sorry, I don't believe you.
You have the luxury of wanting to be a "responsible citizen" from the relatively cushy position of being the joint beneficiary of two unreformed public sector pensions (I assume?) and despite what you say, safe in the knowledge that those pensions quite rightly so will always rise in line with the cost of living.