Jacob Ress Mogg - next PM?

vivatifosi

Herzlos wrote: »

It's a shame that needs to be said. Surely politicians should be honest and trustworthy be y default. Have they always been this bad?

I think it worsened under Blair. He was the,master of spin and couched everything he said in terms he thought people wanted to hear.

I think that's also part of Corbyns appeal. He also has said what he thinks about things, albeit from a vastly different viewpoint to Rees-Mogg.

kabayiri

vivatifosi wrote: »

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I think that's also part of Corbyns appeal. He also has said what he thinks about things, albeit from a vastly different viewpoint to Rees-Mogg.

I think Corbyn is also a player. Maybe it's a result of being in the House for such a long time.

PM May made a point during QT yesterday. She said that the interest on our national debt alone is bigger than the entire NHS pay bill.

Corbyn chose to ignore it, as though it did not matter that the reality means the UK suffers such constraints.

It's not outright lying, but a disingenuous position.

Sapphire

kabayiri wrote: »

I think Corbyn is also a player. Maybe it's a result of being in the House for such a long time.

PM May made a point during QT yesterday. She said that the interest on our national debt alone is bigger than the entire NHS pay bill.

Corbyn chose to ignore it, as though it did not matter that the reality means the UK suffers such constraints.

It's not outright lying, but a disingenuous position.

Corbyn's lies are more easy to distinguish than Blair's, and his flip-flopping is very easy to see. As stated earlier Blair was the master of spin. He did massive damage to this country (and others) in several ways, to the point where he should be tried as a war criminal, yet has managed to worm his way out of that. I would rather he remained in the Middle East or somewhere else abroad, where he clearly feels more at home. He can take his millions with him.

Arklight

economic wrote: »

I think he would make a great PM, he just seems honest and logical. He is the only UK politician i actually like and share views with.

Discuss.

Right wing, bigoted, anti gay rights, anti foreigner hard-line, selfish, beggar-thy-neighbour Christian Conservatism wrapped up in a pantomime 1950s parody of Englishness.

Pro fox hunting, pro forelock tugging hereditary privilege paid for by pandering to big business, and an almost pathological inability to understand that anywhere outside the English home counties is worthy of thought.

He basically sums up exactly what the Conservative Party, and most of their dreadful voters stand for in a convenient one man package with absolutely no diversionary liberality that would sway anyone who is expecting us to be a plural democracy that looks like it should exist in the 21st Century.

So for once I agree with you. He would be an absolutely excellent choice for Tory PM, and I will fully welcome the Jeremy Corbyn Labour government that will take over about a week later.

Go on Conservatives. You know who you want.

If there is some way for Labour supporters to also nominate him like Tories did for JC (that backfired a bit didn't it?) then do let us know.

Malthusian

ilovehouses wrote: »

I wouldn't trust a PM who bases their views on what some bloke in Rome tells him God would want him to think.

Quite. The Vatican is a sovereign state. If we wanted the UK to be governed by a foreign country we wouldn't be leaving the EU.

Malthusian

Arklight wrote: »

If there is some way for Labour supporters to also nominate him like Tories did for JC (that backfired a bit didn't it?) then do let us know.

Backfired by allowing the weakest Conservative leader in history to win a general election despite the worst campaign since Hague's "Vote Tory to save the pound"?

The Conservative Central Office should send every member who cast a £3 vote for Jeremy Corbyn a personally signed thank you card, along with their £3 back, in gratitude for being entirely responsible for winning the 2017 election and keeping the Tories in power until 2022.

Arklight

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

I like the fact that he makes the effort to actually answer questions. This shouldn't be a rare and special talent though; and it says a lot about us that we don't demand it from all MPs.

I think it will be appalling if Britain becomes a two party state with the choice of extremes such as Corbyn or Rees-Mogg. Where are all the normal, sensible candidates?

Ooh yes I know. Corbyn with his crazy, extreme views like asking rich people to pay their taxes, and then investing them in housing, education and health.


It's just nuts.


Did you know he wanted to even nationalise the railways? That would make our railways exactly like the ones in most of the rest of the developed world. Communist madness!

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

I wouldn't trust a PM who bases their views on what some bloke in Rome tells him God would want him to think.

It's 2017.

2017?
Nearly your bed time then.

Better a PM with unflinching faith and with conviction to state both his faith and his opinions openly than (for example) Corbyn who is, in those respects, the polar opposite.

There is no "stand out" next PM in any camp IMHO.
Maybe that's why TM sees herself staying on for a while?

Arklight

Malthusian wrote: »

Backfired by allowing the weakest Conservative leader in history to win a general election despite the worst campaign since Hague's "Vote Tory to save the pound"?

The Conservative Central Office should send every member who cast a £3 vote for Jeremy Corbyn a personally signed thank you card, along with their £3 back, in gratitude for being entirely responsible for winning the 2017 election and keeping the Tories in power until 2022.

If you wanted a Tory government with a Labour sticker on it that teachers might vote for, then yes JC is terrible news.


If you care about having a chance of a socialist government based on equality and principles - on the back of 30 seats taken off the Tories , rather some faux Darwinian survival-of-the-luckiest, then he is rather good news, and the Tories did not get a majority in parliament at the last election.

Wednesday2000

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

I think it will be appalling if Britain becomes a two party state with the choice of extremes such as Corbyn or Rees-Mogg. Where are all the normal, sensible candidates?

Filo25 wrote: »

It would indeed be an extremely depressing prospect

I agree. If JRM became PM I wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry. I was just cringing at seeing JC on TV giving Stormzy an award.

andrewf75 wrote: »

Maybe with Rees Mogg leading the Tories and Corbyn leading Labour, the time will come for a sensible centre ground party to rise up in the way of Macron in France. Our politics needs a shake up from the old two party system especially given that there is more difference within both parties than between the mainstream of both.

Hmm, hopefully.