Jacob Ress Mogg - next PM?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

JRM - "No one serious thinks I'm a credible candidate to replace Theresa May"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/14/britain-does-not-owe-eu-brass-farthing-brexit-bill-says-jacob/

Too right.

But then, he did not say he wanted to. In fact he stated openly in August that he had no desire to lead.

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/15471104.Jacob_Rees_Mogg__I_don___t_want_to_lead_Tories/

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

Nobody really buys those words when uttered by a politician.

One thing's for sure the Telegraph absolutely love him.

Today's breaking news:
Pro-Tory media publication loves Tory MP whilst pro-Labour media publication displays hatred.
Who'd have thunk it?

Merlin's_Beard

Boredatwrork wrote: »

She has no idea what his view are on many other topics, and neither do I, and neither do you to be frank.
He obviously has his own beliefs, that do influence him, but as he has stated he has just one view in a sea of many, and respects the rights of others (democracy).

What I take offense to is her ad hominem, and typical one sided tunnel vision and faux hysteria, but then again if you want a job in the Guardian, I guess its part of the deal.

We can tell how he voted. Via theyworkforyou.com - you can see how everyone has voted throughout their career.

We can tell that Rees-Mogg's personal beliefs have never led him to rebel against his party's line.

We can tell that he has generally voted against laws for equality and human rights, including gay rights.

He has voted consistently for reducing housing benefit, and not raising welfare benefit, and raising benefits for the long term sick.

He voted consistently against allowing EU residents who reside here being given a right to residency in the country that they live in.

And voted for the restriction of legal aid.

So his Christian beliefs haven't led his heart towards a sense of love towards his fellow man, because I don't see any sign of "‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’There is no commandment greater than [these].”.

Nor have his Christian beliefs inspired a responsibility to safeguard God's creation - he's consistently voted against environmental laws. If he believes that one of his holy responsibilities is to care for the earth and all upon it, then his voting is doing a terrible job of it.

If he's a Christian, he's a very hypocritical one that just picks the most convenient parts for what he wants to do anyway.

kinger101

Merlin's_Beard wrote: »

We can tell how he voted. Via theyworkforyou.com - you can see how everyone has voted throughout their career.

We can tell that Rees-Mogg's personal beliefs have never led him to rebel against his party's line.

We can tell that he has generally voted against laws for equality and human rights, including gay rights.

He has voted consistently for reducing housing benefit, and not raising welfare benefit, and raising benefits for the long term sick.

He voted consistently against allowing EU residents who reside here being given a right to residency in the country that they live in.

And voted for the restriction of legal aid.

So his Christian beliefs haven't led his heart towards a sense of love towards his fellow man, because I don't see any sign of "‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’There is no commandment greater than [these].”.

Nor have his Christian beliefs inspired a responsibility to safeguard God's creation - he's consistently voted against environmental laws. If he believes that one of his holy responsibilities is to care for the earth and all upon it, then his voting is doing a terrible job of it.

If he's a Christian, he's a very hypocritical one that just picks the most convenient parts for what he wants to do anyway.

Thanks for posting this. Was about to right something similar on his voting record.

kinger101

Boredatwrork wrote: »

What I take offense to is her ad hominem......

Says the guy who calls her disgusting.

Fella

So on this thread we now have JRM being simultaneously criticized for being too religious and for not being religious enough.

Wow, he really does have people running scared.

Backbiter

Fella wrote: »

So on this thread we now have JRM being simultaneously criticized for being too religious and for not being religious enough.

Wow, he really does have people running scared.

No, he's being criticized for the absurdly inconsistent application of his supposed religious beliefs to his political views, as demonstrated by his voting record.

MobileSaver

Fella wrote: »

Wow, he really does have people running scared.

Um, no, he has people quite rightly pointing out what a hypocrite he is by using his religion to support his abhorrent prejudices.

There's always a certain irony about someone's supporters simply claiming everyone else is running scared rather than actually trying to defend or justify their position...

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

When Vince Cable says his prayers he must, firstly, be asking to be spared until the next general election and for Rees-Mogg to be leader of the Tories and Diane Abbott to be labour leader.

Which might lead to the question: who do we think Vince Cable would pray to?
:whistle:

Boredatwrork

Merlin's_Beard wrote: »

We can tell how he voted. Via theyworkforyou.com - you can see how everyone has voted throughout their career.

We can tell that Rees-Mogg's personal beliefs have never led him to rebel against his party's line.

We can tell that he has generally voted against laws for equality and human rights, including gay rights.

He has voted consistently for reducing housing benefit, and not raising welfare benefit, and raising benefits for the long term sick.

He voted consistently against allowing EU residents who reside here being given a right to residency in the country that they live in.

And voted for the restriction of legal aid.

So his Christian beliefs haven't led his heart towards a sense of love towards his fellow man, because I don't see any sign of "‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’There is no commandment greater than [these].”.

Nor have his Christian beliefs inspired a responsibility to safeguard God's creation - he's consistently voted against environmental laws. If he believes that one of his holy responsibilities is to care for the earth and all upon it, then his voting is doing a terrible job of it.

If he's a Christian, he's a very hypocritical one that just picks the most convenient parts for what he wants to do anyway.

He has voted in the main along the same lines as his religious book implies.

In regards to whats best for the greater good of the planet, that of course come under what someone like him would considers freewill. Where in the bible does it instruct anyone on border control, and individual aspects of tenancy and handing out welfare, that's ridiculous.

In regards to whats best overall for the country and the planet, if it was that clear cut, we wouldn't need a government or democracy.
I'm sorry if his version of the bible doesn't fit your version of the bible and how things should be run in your opinion, and what you consider "love for your fellow man" but it obviously fits his.
Ironically as an atheist I find the book absurd and hypocritical, and can be read almost anyway to square many circles.

Personally I don't see a solution to people on welfare as just bunging more money at them, a huge amount of their poverty comes from the individual making bad choices, and money should only be channeled to legitimate circumstances, I don't see how funding them to carry on in that way is productive its a financial money pit of little productivity, surely the end game is to end the cycle, not teach them to teach their children the same patterns. I would imagine JRM would agree with me, in this instance as an example of the greater good.