Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

setmefree2

michaels wrote: »

Perhaps you could point me to the 'articles' in NAFTA that call for ever closer union or that any new members will be expected to adopt a common currency and give up monetary authority?

Or that make you accept free movement and stop you making FTAs with every other country on the planet....

michaels

http://pwc.blogs.com/publicsectormatters/2017/07/canada-at-150-what-can-the-uk-learn-from-an-old-friend.html

Canada and the US are not in a Customs Union.
The US is Canada's largest trading partner with several industries having highly integrated and complicated cross border supply chains, the automotive industry is a good example. There is however a border in place, with customs declarations, duties collected, clearance procedures in place and both countries operate an independent trade policy. The focus has been to take the burden off the physical border by collecting data in advance, dedicated lanes for pre-cleared people and goods through application based trusted trader and passenger schemes, pushing as much activity away from the border as possible. This means development of shared pre and post clearance programs, investment in technology and infrastructure to allow people and commercial shipments to move quickly across the border.
The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
NAFTA is a deep and comprehensive Free Trade Agreement (FTA) that has been in place for over 20 years and continues to be simplified and expanded as our economies grow. Starting with the auto pact in the 1960s Canada and the US have worked to remove barriers to trade through the elimination of Tariffs, liberalisation of investment and opening up opportunities for citizens to live and work in each other’s countries. Trade in industries like textiles and agriculture are heavily reliant on the reduced tariffs and in the case of the latter on the alignment of food safety standards. Despite significant progress on liberalisation, restrictions remain in place in sensitive industries such as dairy.
Partners in Security
A challenging mandate for both countries is in facilitating the free flow of legitimate people and goods, while protecting the security of its citizens and helping the economy to grow. A joined up approach to risk assessment, a focus on security, and information sharing while more effectively targeting high risk people and goods forms part of that strategy. The design and administration of trusted trader and trusted traveller schemes has allowed business to engage once with a programme which provides them with benefits in both countries. Reducing the cost and administrative burden to individuals and business.

Look what could be achieved if the EU were not so lacking in self-confidence in its status that its primary aim in the negotiations (at the expense of impoverishing its own citizens) is to demonstrate to them just how much the UK will suffer by leaving the embryonic state. I guess memories linger of the collapse of the Soviet Union once Lithuania was allowed to leave.

setmefree2

This morning's news from The Fifth Column.

Labour will end up backing second Brexit referendum, Lord Adonis claims

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/sep/05/efta-would-benefit-from-having-uk-as-a-member-says-icelandic-foreign-minister-politics-live

Andrew Adonis, the Labour peer and Blairite former transport secretary, has told the New Statesmanin an interview that he expects Labour to commit to a second referendum on Brexit. And if Labour promises one, the government will follow and back one too, he said.

[Adonis] predicts that Labour will back a second referendum, as it has embraced a meaningful Brexit transitional period. “Once Labour’s in favour it’s only a matter of time before the government has to concede … I would be very surprised if we’re not committed to a referendum on the exit terms within six months. The thing I only always learned from Tony [Blair] is ‘get the policy right and the politics will follow’. The right policy is a referendum on the exit terms, the politics will sort itself out.”

But Adonis does not call it a second referendum. Like Sir Vince Cable, the Lib Dem leader, who used the same formula on the Today programme this morning, Adonis said that a new referendum would “a first referendum on the exit terms”.
During the general election Labour said clearly that a second referendum was not party policy. But the party has not firmly ruled out ever holding one.

Filo25

setmefree2 wrote: »

This morning's news from The Fifth Column.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/sep/05/efta-would-benefit-from-having-uk-as-a-member-says-icelandic-foreign-minister-politics-live

Kind of ignores the issue that the leader of Labour is a confirmed Eurosceptic, I wouldn't say Adonis has too much in common with the current Labour leadership!

The only way I can see either of the major parties coming out in favour of a second referendum is if there is evidence of a significant shift in public opinion and there hasn't been so far.

Conrad

POLAND SEEKS A TRILLION EUROS FROM GERMANY;
https://www.thelocal.de/20170904/poland

andrewf75

Filo25 wrote: »

The only way I can see either of the major parties coming out in favour of a second referendum is if there is evidence of a significant shift in public opinion and there hasn't been so far.

and it never will

lets face it, even in the unlikely event that years into the future Brexit can be clearly seen as either a convincing success or complete failure, most people will still stick to their guns

Conrad

gfplux wrote: »

Britain is leaving, settle up for the past and then move on to the future.

A capitulation view. Just give into EU demands and be a good boy.


Confident, capable people of tough fibre don't do things that way.

Filo25

andrewf75 wrote: »

and it never will

lets face it, even in the unlikely event that years into the future Brexit can be clearly seen as either a convincing success or complete failure, most people will still stick to their guns

Even people sticking to their guns would lead to slow change in opinion though, given the demographics of Leavers v Remainers, to keep things in line with where they are now you would need to continue to see voters getting more Eurosceptic as they get older.

A purely technical point though I'm not expecting a significant move in opinion before Brexit goes through.

Conrad

andrewf75 wrote: »

and it never will

lets face it, even in the unlikely event that years into the future Brexit can be clearly seen as either a convincing success or complete failure, most people will still stick to their guns

I'm noticing subtle changes in Remainer narratives and language that indicate the gradual process of acceptance


I cant think of a example, lol, but each time I hear/read one I am struck by it.


Imagine we did have a referendum on the terms. This time the Govt of the day batting for Leave, a load of hard fought negotiation out of the way and Project Fear largely unusable given we've come so far in pretty good shape.


I struggle to see Remain getting any traction.


Plus if the EU offered a bad deal to make us stay, it could well back-fire as it just wouldn't be cricket.

Conrad

setmefree2 wrote: »

Regular readers of this thread will find this hilarious.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

https://www.rt.com/uk/401928-propaganda-bbc-brexit-neil-adonis/


No doubt Andrew Adonis is BFF with Blur and Mandleson - the chief puppet masters of all things labour. They are no doubt trying to get rid of the only unbiased Brexit commentator on the BBC........

I know of a steady flow of complaints regards BBC Dateline London (I read about them on forums) which almost always has a 4 guest anti Brexit panel, with the occasional Brexiteer (Alex Deane) and they just keep on doing it week in week out, the bias is appalling, it's as if the presenter (a Remainer too) is afraid the public might be persuaded by Brexit messages. Utterly pathetic.